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ASHRAE
American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air
Air-Conditioning
Conditioning Engineers Inc.
1791 Tullie Circle, NE • Atlanta, Georgia 30329
30329-2305
404-636-8400 • Fax 404-321
321-5478
TC/TG/TRG MINUTES COVER SHEET
(Minutes of all TC/TG/TRG Meetings are to be distributed to all persons listed below within 60 days following the meeting.)
TC/TG/TRG NO.:
TC 9.01
ISSUE DATE:
TC/TG/TRG TITLE:
Large Building Air-Cond
Conditioning Systems
DATE OF MEETING:
June 23, 2009
MEMBERS PRESENT
TERM END
Members:
Stephen W Duda, V. Chair
Kelley P Cramm, Sec
Kenneth E. Gill
K Quinn Hart
Charles E. Henck
John L Kuempel Jr
Howard J McKew
Ronald Millies, Jr.
Gene R Strehlow
Jeff Traylor
John I Vucci
Dennis Wessel
June 30 of
2012
2010
2011
2009
2009
2009
2009
2012
2009
2011
2010
2012
January 18, 2010
LOCATION: Louisville, KY
MEMBERS ABSENT
TERM END
Members
Members:
Phil Trafton
Charles G Arnold
Alonzo B. Blalock
Harvey Brickman
Rodney H. Lewis
June 30 of
2009
2011
2011
2012
2010
ADDITIONAL
ONAL ATTENDANCE
Corresponding Members:
Members
Warren G. Hahn
Mark Fly
Douglas Cochrane
John Wolfert
Hollace Bailey
Jay Eldridge
Lynn Werman
Liaisons / Staff / Ex-Officio
Ex
Members:
Guests:
Bob Rybka
International Members:
none present
DISTRIBUTION
ALL MEMBERS OF TC/TG/TRG
TAC COMMITTEE CHAIR: Brian Becker
TAC SECTION HEAD: Van Baxter
LIAISONS:
CEC: Dennis Wessel
Pub
Publications: Kelley Cramm
Handbook: Walter T Grondzik
Research
Research: Carl Lawson
Professional Development: Tim McGinn
CTTC: Melvin Glass
Staff Liaison/Research/Technical Services: Michael R Vaughn
Standards Liaison:
Staff Liaison (Standards): Claire B Ramspeck
Merle McBride
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ASHRAE American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air
Air-Conditioning Engineers Inc.
1791 Tullie Circle, NE • Atlanta, Georgia 30329
30329-2305 404-636-8400 • Fax 404-321-5478
ASHRAE TC/TG/TRG ACTIVITIES
IES SHEET ATTACHMENT
ISSUE DATE: June 23, 2009
TC/TG/TRG NO.:
T.C. 9.01
CHAIR: Phil Trafton
TC/TG/TRG TITLE:
VICE-CHAIR: Steve Duda
Large Building Air-Conditioning
Conditioning Systems
SECRETARY: Kelley Cramm
TC/TG/TRG MEETING SCHEDULE
Location - Past 48 Months
Chicago, IL
Quebec, PQ (Canada)
Dallas, TX
Long Beach, CA
New York, NY
Salt Lake City, UT
Chicago, IL
Louisville, KY
Date
1.24.2006
6.27.2006
1.30.2007
6.26.2007
1.22.2008
6.24.2008
1.27.2009
6.23.2009
Location - Planned Next 36 Months
Orlando, FL
Albuquerque, NM
Las Vegas, NV
Montreal, PQ (Canada)
Chicago, IL
San Antonio, TX
Date
1.26.2010
6.29.2010
2.01.2011
6.28.2011
1.24.2012
6.26.2012
TC/TG/TRG SUBCOMMITTEES
Function
Subcommittee Chair
ALI Coordinator
Handbook
Honors and Awards
Journal / Insights
Membership
Program
Research
Standards
Standards Issues
Webmaster
Gene Strehlow & Bryan Sherman
Jeff Traylor
Rodney Lewis
Warren Hahn
Lynn Werman
Chuck Arnold
William Klock
Charlie Henck
Phil Trafton
Mark Fly
RESEARCH PROJECTS – CURRENT
Project Title
RP-1395 – Heat Gains from Industrial
and Control Equipment in Industrial
Plants, Part 2.
Contractor
Kansas State
University
Monitoring Comm. Chairperson
Wayne Lawson
Report Made At Mtg.
Yes
W/S Written
Approved
To RAC
LONG RANGE RESEARCH PLAN
Rank
Title
HANDBOOK RESPONSIBILITIES
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Year & Volume
2012 Systems & Equip
2012 Systems & Equip
2012 Systems & Equip
2012 Systems & Equip
2012 Systems & Equip
Chapter Title
HVAC System Analysis and Selection
Decentralized Cooling and Heating
Centralized Cooling and Heating
Air-Handing and Distribution
In-Room Units and Distribution
Chapter No
1
2
3
4
5
Deadline
TBA 2011
TBA 2011
TBA 2011
TBA 2011
TBA 2011
Lead Reviser / Reviewer
D. Wessel / Brickman & Fly
J. Kuempel / Vucci & Duda
W. Klock / Werman & Hart
R. Lewis / Trafton & Cramm
H. Bailey / Strehlow & Hahn
STANDARDS ACTIVITIES - List and Describe Subjects
STD 15-2004 Safety Standard for Refrigeration Systems – Continuous Maintenance, Cognizant TC is 9.01, Steve Duda is liaison.
Guideline 0-2005 The Commissioning Process – TC 9.01 is co-cognizant.
Guideline 16-2003 Selecting Outdoor, Return, and Relief Dampers for Air-Side Economizer Systems – Cognizant TC is 9.01.
TECHNICAL PAPERS from Sponsored Research – Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. present & planned)
1. None.
TC/TG SPONSORED TRANSACTION SESSIONS – Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. present & planned) & Chair
2. None.
TC SPONSORED SEMINARS – Title, when presented (past 3 years, present, & planned) & Chair; Speaker, Speaker, Speaker
1. Back-to-Basics: HVAC System Selection (2006 Annual – Quebec) / Wessel; Duda, McKew, Kuempel
2. Case Studies in Humidity Control Pt. 1 / (2007 Winter – Dallas) / Trafton; Gill, Duda, Kuempel
3. Case Studies in Humidity Control Pt. 2 / (2007 Winter – Dallas) / E Sterling; S Brown, J Murphy, Lewis
4. Case Studies in Retrofit of Existing Systems Part I (2007 Annual – Long Beach) / Arnold; Cramm, Kuempel, Lewis.
5. Underfloor Air Distribution: Case Studies & Lessons Learned (2008 Winter) Brickman; Cooper, Mass, Frank, Morrissey.
6. Introduction to 2008 Handbook (2008 Annual – Salt Lake City) / McKew; Duda & Maston.
7. Case Studies in Sustainable Retrofits to Reduce Energy Use of Existing Buildings (2009 Winter – Chicago) / Trafton;
Kuempel, McKew, Traylor.
8. Design and Case Studies for Indoor Sports Facilities (2009 Annual – Louisville) / Trafton; Duda, R. Towell, Cramm.
9. Design Challenges & Solutions for Entertainment Venues (2009 Annual – Louisville) / Millies; Kuempel, S. Braden,
McKew.
10. PROPOSED: Retrofit for Humidity Control (2010 Winter – Orlando) / Gill; Fly, McKew
11. PROPOSED: Retrofitting HVAC in Older Buildings Sustainably (2010 Winter) / Traylor; Duda, Cramm, Kuempel.
12. FUTURE: System Selection Based Upon Energy Modeling.
13. FUTURE: High Efficiency Retrofit Case Studies.
TC/TG SPONSORED FORUMS - Title, when presented (past 3 years, present, & planned) & Moderator
1. None.
JOURNAL PUBLICATIONS, when published (past 3 years, present, & planned) & Author
1. Reducing Energy Costs With Condensing Boilers & Heat Recovery Chillers (2007-03) / J. Rishel
2. Connecting Buildings To Central Chilled Water Plants (2007-11) / J. Rishel
Respectfully submitted by:
Stephen W. Duda, Vice-Chair
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ASHRAE
American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air
Air-Conditioning
Conditioning Engineers Inc.
1791 Tullie Circle, NE • Atlanta, Georgia 30329
30329-2305
404-636-8400 • Fax 404-321
321-5478
TC 9.01 Large Building Air
Air-Conditioning Systems
Meeting Minutes
Meeting Date: June 23, 2009
Louisville, KY
I.
Call to Order
a) Vice Chair Duda called
led the meeting to order at 1:
1:00 PM local time.
II.
Introduction of Members And Guests
a) Self-introductions
introductions of members and guests were made around the ta
table
ble as the attendance roster was circulated.
Vice Chair Duda welcomed all members and visitors. A quorum was verified.
Voting Members:
12 Present, 5 Absent, Quorum achieved.
International Members:
0 Present
Corresponding Members:
7 Present
Society Liaisons:
0 Present
Staff Liaisons:
0 Present
Guests:
1 Present
Note: International members are voting members if present, but do not count against quorum if absent.
III.
Minutes from Chicago, January 22009 Meeting
ng minutes be approved and Jeff Traylor seconded. Motion carried
carri (12-0-0-5).
a) Ken Gill moved that the meeting
Secretary’s Note: All votes recorded herein are formatted as (Aye
(Aye-Nay-Abstain-Absent).
Absent).
IV.
Agenda Comments / Updates (S. Duda
Duda)
a) No agenda changes were noted.
V.
Chairman’s Comments and Section 9 Report ((S. Duda)
a) No outstanding information is needed from TC9.1. There is money available for research remaining in the
budget.
b) CTTC will recruit members for us from chapters if we ask. They will also recruit peer reviewers, etc.
etc
c) Excel formatted rosters will be e-mailed
mailed next week. Steve D. will forward this to the committee
d) TAC is working on a web-based
based application for updating rosters interactively
interactively.
e) CEC is adding a new program type starting in Albuquerque called “Conference Papers”.
Papers”
f) CEC is establishing
ablishing tracks for all future meetings
meetings.
g) Orlando Seminar proposals are due July 10th.
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h) Thank you letters to employers are now requested via a website link
i)
Hightower award nominations are due Sept. 1st. This will now be based on a 4 year time frame for service to
technical committees.
j)
Consideration is being given to expand the international rule to allow anyone of any residency to be a “nonquorum voting member”. This would allow domestic members to fill this role.
k) Orlando meeting in January 2010 tracks are as follows:
1)
2)
3)
Humidity Control
Load Calculations
Energy Conservation and alternative Energy Sources/Solutions
Charlie Henck noted that the committee can suggest tracks for future meetings a year in advance
VI.
ASHRAE Liaison Reports
a) No liaisons were present to give reports.
VII.
TC 9.01 Subcommittee Reports
a) Membership (L. Werman): Six members will be rolling off as voting members of the committee as of 6/30/09:
Phil Trafton, Charlie Henck, Gene Strehlow, Quinn Hart, John Kuempel, and Howard McKew. We have added 5
voting members and the July, 2009 roster is available. Effective July 1st, 2009, the roster will be as follows:
Chair – Steve Duda, Vice Chair – Kelley Cramm, Secretary – John Kuempel, (non-voting)
Voting Members: Jeff Traylor, Bill Klock, Warren Hahn, Mark Fly, Holly Bailey, Al Blalock, Harvey Brickman,
Doug Cochrane, Ken Gill, Lee Millies, John Vucci, Lynn Werman, Dennis Wessel, and John Wolfert.
b) Handbook (J. Traylor): Jeff indicated that the chapter reviews are getting started. Revisers and reviewers are:
TC-9.1 Handbook Reviewers:
Reviser
Reviewer
•
Chapter 1 Wessel
•
Chapter 2 Kuempel Vucci, Duda
•
Chapter 3 Klock
Werman, Hart
•
Chapter 4 Lewis
Trafton, Cramm
•
Chapter 5 Bailey
Strehlow, Hahn
Brickman, Fly
2012 revisers must be substantially complete by the Orlando meeting.
c) Standards (C. Henck):– Charlie reported that the Standards committee does not need Guideline 16 “Selecting
Outdoor Return and Relief Dampers for Air-Side Economizer Systems” reaffirmed. There are no other standards
outstanding.
d) Research (Klock): Bill Klock was not present to give a report.
RP-1395 – Heat Gains from Industrial and Control Equipment in Industrial Plants, Part 2, (Wessel). This
project looks at additional equipment that was not included previously. Dennis distributed a spreadsheet that
shows what the work scope called for compared to what was actually included (see attachment). The TC needs
to vote on the approach. Dennis Wessel put forth the following motion –“I move that the committee accept the
test method performed by the researcher on RP-1395 for the completion of the research project.” Ken Gill
seconded.
Discussion: Jeff Traylor expressed concern that the research paid for was not performed per the statement of
work and that the researchers did not do as much work as was contracted. Dennis noted that the PMS is
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recommending that it be accepted. Dennis talked with the researcher at length yesterday and is comfortable
with the results. Per the spreadsheet Dennis provided, many of the research requirements were met by using a
literature search for existing data or by performing calculations in lieu of actual testing.
Chair called the vote. Motion passed (10-0-1-6) (Author’s Note: One voting member had stepped out
temporarily when this motion came to a vote.)
RTAR-1448 – Chiller Room Ventilation, PMS: S. Taylor, S. Duda, J. Vucci.
This is not a TRP (temporary research project). TC 9.1 is not involved however Steve reported that this is a
project to determine the proper ventilation rate for emergency ventilation for chiller rooms considering the
science behind the refrigerant dispersion and the history of actual practice. The result needs to be defendable
and must be able to be practically applied. The work statement has been written and the bids have been
received. They range from $75,000 to $100,000.
Ken Gill noted that there is a current research project in heat gain from health care committee. ASHRAE
should somehow consider consolidating all this research that is being done independently. The committee
expressed agreement.
e) Program (C. Arnold / K. Cramm):
Kelley Cramm presented the program recommendations for Orlando (see attached minutes). Kelley Cramm
moved and Jeff Traylor seconded that the committee approve the program recommendations for Orlando.
Motion passed (10-0-1-6) (Author’s Note: One voting member had stepped out temporarily when this motion
came to a vote.)
Dennis Wessel described the new process for conference papers. Abstracts for conference papers for
Albuquerque must be submitted by September 25, 2009. Program submissions for Orlando are due July 10,
2009.
Orlando Programs: Dennis Wessel chaired a forum this morning and the following programs were requested:
-
Chilled beam applications
Design issues
Long term maintenance
Under floor air distribution (UFAD)
Design/installation success stories
Design comparison for a common building in different parts of the country/world
Case studies around the world
Variable refrigerant flow (VRF) designs for large buildings
Energy modeling
Modeling vs. actual performance
f) Professional Development (G. Strehlow):
Two full day and four half day professional development sessions were presented in Louisville. Anyone who
wants to teach a future class should let Gene know.
Mark Fly is on the E-Learning committee. Many of these courses are on the web.
g) Honors & Awards (R. Lewis):
Rodney was not present. No report given.
h) Journal/Insights (W. Hahn):
No one from the committee had any Journal articles in the past 6 months
Warren will submit an Insights article stating that the results from the RP on heat gain from electrical
equipment will be out soon and that this information should be placed in the Handbook.
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i)
Website Report (M. Fly):
Mark Fly said the minutes are on the website but he has not been supplied with any other content. We had two
seminars at this meeting. Steve asked if he could put our slides on the website. Speakers from this meeting
could put their slides on the web. Send them to Mark for posting
j)
Standards Issues (R. Lewis):
This committee did not meet since Rodney and Phil are not at the meeting. Holly Bailey and Jay Eldridge met
briefly but had no report.
VIII.
Sustainable Design Issues (D. Wessel)
a) No discussion. This will be removed from future agendas.
IX.
TC/PC Liaison Reports
a) TC 1.04 – Control Theory & Application (H. McKew): No report. Remove Howie from this committee liaison
position.
b) TC 1.12 – Moisture Management in Buildings (Lawson): Holly Bailey and Jeff Traylor attended. The
committee is under new management. There may be more activity and it will be more regimented. The TC
has no handbook chapter yet. Need to figure out what handbook chapters the TC needs to give input on.
c) TC 4.03 – Ventilation and Infiltration (S. Duda): Steve reported on RP1448 which is sponsored by TC 4.03.
They also have a work statement approved – 1547. It has to do with applying a CO2 based demand controlled
ventilation system in a multi-zone system. This work statement has been approved and is going forward.
d) TC 5.06 – Control of Fire & Smoke (R. Lewis): No Report.
e) TC 6.01 – Hydronic & Steam Heating Equipment & Systems (J. Kuempel): This committee is meeting now.
The central chilled water plant subcommittee is planning a program in Orlando on central chilled water.
f) TC 7.04 – Building Operation Dynamics (G. Strehlow): Gene said this TC has merged with TC7.5, Smart
Building Systems. They are research driven. Have a lot of interaction with the utilities. Fault detection and
diagnostics are also a current topic.
g) TC 7.07 – Testing & Balancing (H Brickman): No Report.
h) TC 7.09 – Building Commissioning (J. Traylor): Jeff Traylor attended this TC meeting but had no substantial
items to report.
i)
TC 9.06 – Health Care Facilities (D. Wessel): The Advanced Energy Design Guide for Small Health Care
Facilities will be published in November and will be available for free download. The AIA Healthcare design
guide will now be published by ASHE. Ventilation requirements will be included. The FGI (Facilities Group
Institute) will also be involved
j)
TC 9.08 – Large Building Air-Conditioning Applications (C. Lawson): Carl Lawson was not present. Jeff
Traylor indicated he attended the meeting but had no report.
k) TC 9.10 – Laboratory Systems (Sestak/Lawson): No report, they have not met yet.
l)
TC 9.12 – Tall Buildings (L. Werman): Lynn said they met in Chicago and will be meeting today here in
Louisville. They have a lot of program ideas.
m) GPC 16 – Selecting Outdoor, Return, and Relief Dampers for Air-Side Economizer Systems (Kuempel): Since
this does not need to be reaffirmed it should be dropped from the agenda.
n) GPC 22 – Instrumentation for Monitoring Central Chilled Water Plant Efficiency (Arnold): This has been
published so it should be dropped from the agenda.
o) SSPC 62- Indoor Air Quality: Phil had been attending these meetings but he is not here. Steve will check with
Phil to see if he will continue to attend these meetings
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p) SSPC 15 – Mechanical Refrigeration Safety (Duda): This committee is also interested in RP-1448. This
committee met on Sunday. There is a change proposal that was approved for public review that grants some
exceptions to the rules on discharging a refrigerating system’s pressure relief device. Ken Gill suggested that a
change proposal be submitted to require pressure relief valves on chillers, not rupture disks. He will pursue
this.
q) TG7 – Under-Floor Air (H. Brickman): Harvey was not present. No report.
r) Guideline 29 - Guideline for Risk Management of Public Health and Safety in Buildings (Brickman): This
guideline should be added to our list.
s) If there’s any interest in ARI standards, they are negotiating with ANSI to co-sponsor their standards. Once
this agreement is in place, ARI standards will not be available for free download.
t)
Mark Fly stated that the ASHRAE Bookstore will soon become a separate website. This should improve
functionality.
u) TG3 – HVAC&R Contractors and Design Build Firms: John Kuempel attended this meeting. Of the 60,000
ASHRAE members, 10 to 12,000 are contractors. ASHRAE conducted a survey to ask about contractors’
participation. John reviewed the results of the survey.
v) Steve will update the list of TC liaisons to be sure the liaison is a corresponding member of the TC they report
on. They can then report on the minutes from the previous meeting
X.
Old Business
a) Rodney is still reviewing the mold position document. His review is generally not favorable
XI.
New Business
a) For the good and well being, each member shared something about themselves.
XII.
Adjournment
a) Next Meeting: Tuesday, January 26, 2009 at 1:00 pm in Orlando, FL.
b) Meeting adjourned at 3:20 PM. Moved by Ken Gill and seconded by Dennis Wessel.
XIII.
A:
B:
C:
D:
Attachments:
Summary of Motions
Summary of Action Items
TC9.1 Program Subcommittee Minutes
RP 1395 Summary
End of Minutes
Respectfully submitted by:
Kelley P. Cramm, Secretary
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ATTACHMENT “A”
SUMMARY OF MOTIONS:
Secretary’s Note: All votes recorded herein are formatted as Aye-Nay-Abstain-Absent. Chair voted unless noted otherwise.
Text:
Text:
Motion: Ken Gill
Second: Jeff Traylor
Approve the Chicago January, 2009 Winter Meeting Minutes.
Vote: Motion Carried 12-0-0-5
Motion: Dennis Wessel
Second: Ken Gill
The committee accept the test method performed by the researcher on RP-1395 for the completion of the research project
Vote:
Text:
Motion Carried 10-0-1-6
Motion: Kelley Cramm
Second: Jeff Traylor
Approve the program slate for Orlando meeting
Vote:
Motion Carried 10-0-1-6
Motion: Ken Gill
Second: Dennis Wessel
Text: Adjourn the meeting.
Vote:
Motion Carried 11-0-1-5
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ATTACHMENT “B”
SUMMARY OF ACTION ITEMS:
Responsible Party: Steve Duda
Action: Update list of TC Liaisons to insure all are corresponding members of the TC they report on
Due Date:
Orlando meeting.
Responsible Party: Steve Duda
Action: . Check to see if Phil Trafton plans to continue attending SSPC 62.
Due Date:
Orlando meeting
Responsible Party: Warren Hahn
Action: . Submit item to Insights on results from the RP on heat gain from electrical equipment
Due Date:
No date specified
Responsible Party: Jeff Traylor/Handbook Revisers
Action: . Complete 2012 Handbook revisions
Due Date:
Orlando Meeting
Responsible Party: Ken Gill
Action: . Pursue submitting a change proposal for RP-1448 to require pressure relief valves on chillers in lieu of rupture disks.
Due Date:
No date specified
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ATTACHMENT “C”
Program Subcommittee Minutes
AMERICAN SOCIETY OF HEATING, REFRIGERATING AND AIR CONDITIONING ENGINEERS, INC.
1791 Tullie Circle, N.E./Atlanta, GA 30329
TC PROGRAM SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES
TC9.l1 – Large Building Air Conditioning Systems
June 23, 2009
12:00 PM, Louisville Convention Center, Room 209
In Attendance:
Kelley Cramm
Jay Eldridge
John Kuempel
The tracks for Orlando were reviewed and the following programs suggested:
• Retrofits for Humidity Control (Humidity Control track)– Ken Gill chair
o Howard McKew (speaker)
o Mark Fly (speaker)
• Controlling Humidity Sustainably
• Designing for Humidity Control Using DOAS
• Case Studies for Buildings Using Unitary Equipment for Optimal Air Quality
• Retrofitting HVAC in Older Buildings Sustainably (Green Building/Sustainability track) – Jeff Traylor chair
o John Kuempel
o Steve Duda
o Kelley Cramm
Albuquerque
• System Selection Based Upon Energy Modeling (Track 2 – Energy Facts vs. Simulations)
o Kelley to recruit a speaker
o Sara Maston (Howard to recruit)
• High Efficiency Retrofit Case Studies
o John Kuempel – K12
o Kelley Cramm – Restaurant (?)
o Steve Duda (tentative)
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