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Solointerview med Nickolaj
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Sofie: Hvad er din erfaring med film?
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Nickolaj: Jeg har klippet to musicals.
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Sofie: Hvor meget erfaring har du med gruppearbejde?
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Nickolaj: Jeg har kun lidt erfaring fra RUC, plus det vi lavede på gymnasiet.
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Sofie: Hvad mener du overordnet om filmen?
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Nickolaj: Jeg synes, den er rigtig god. Plottet er godt – overraskende. Det er godt, at man først
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tror, man ser en film om et projekt, og så finder ud af at filmen er projektet.
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Sofie: Kan du prøve at genfortælle handlingen.
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Nickolaj: Det starter med man ser en gruppe, der har en ide om et projekt, så ser man de filmer
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og snakker om, hvordan det skal fungere, der er én, der fortæller, hvordan de skal lave det. På
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et tidspunkt går det ikke så godt, og nogen foreslår, at man skal starte forfra. Og så kommer
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overraskelsen, hvor nogen står med et storyboard og fortæller, at man nu laver en film om et
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gruppearbejde, der ikke gik så godt.
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Sofie: Hvor mange gange har du set filmen nu?
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Nickolaj: Jeg har set den to gange i alt. Jeg forstod den lige godt første som anden gang.
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Sofie: Forstår du kronologien i filmen?
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Nickolaj: Det forstår jeg først til sidst, når storyboarded bliver præsenteret. Så forstår jeg godt,
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man har set fortiden før. Jeg har ikke bemærket skiltet ”To dage tidligere”, nej.
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Sofie: Forstår du metalagene?
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Nickolaj: Jeg forstår godt metalagene. Det forklarer I godt til sidst i filmen, synes jeg. Det virker
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godt, at forklaringen først kommer til sidst. Interviewbidderne fungerer godt. Det virker som om,
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det bare er jer, der sidder og snakker, og at det ikke er instrueret.
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Sofie: Hvordan oplever du karaktererne? Hvem sympatiserer du mest med?
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Nickolaj: Jeg har ret meget sympati med ham (Christoffer), der skal fortælle gruppen, at han
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synes, det ikke går så godt, selvom han ikke har noget andet forslag. Og så synes jeg det er
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synd for de to piger, fordi de sidder på den anden side og egentlig synes, at det går meget godt.
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Jeg har ikke selv oplevet lignende situation eller dilemma.
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Man får ikke særlig sympati for de to andre drenge: de er bare fyld. Jeg kan egentlig ikke huske
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deres rolle særlig godt. Dem har jeg ikke bidt så meget mærke i.
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Pernille: Lægger filmen op til, at man skal sympatisere med en bestemt karakter?
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Nickolaj: Det er nok fordi, jeg føler, det ville være ubehageligt at være ham (Christoffer). Så ja
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det er nok filmen, der lægger op til det. At man skal synes, det er ubehageligt. Jeg ville ikke
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have gjort det samme. Jeg ville have ventet til jeg havde et alternativt forslag. Mest fordi jeg selv
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hader, når folk kommer og ikke har et forslag.
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Sofie: Hvordan oplever du ellers karaktererne og deres roller?
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Nickolaj: Jeg tænker det er dig (Pernille), der instruerer og har styr på det med filmen og
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virkemidler. Sofie er den der tager bolden og er sådan lidt leder. Christoffer er skuespiller og det
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er hans begrundelse for at være der. De to andre står for lyd og teknik.
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Sofie: Hvad ser du som budskabet i filmen?
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Nickolaj: Det ved jeg faktisk ikke. Hvis der skulle være noget, ville det være ... Jeg er helt tom!
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Måske at man skal tage gruppearbejde mere seriøst og snakke sammen i stedet for bare at
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køre ud ad en tangent. Det dur ikke bare at holde sin følelser inde – så bliver det et meget langt
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semester – kommunikation og ærlighed.
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Sofie: Vi tænker: ”Man kan altid få vendt det dårlige til noget godt”, ”Gruppearbejde er
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pissehårdt, og man bliver uvenner, men i sidste ende skal det nok gå”. Det synes vi også er
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vigtigt at sige til de nye RUC-studerende.
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Nickolaj: Sådan har jeg det også.
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Pernille: Det er også noget med ”At finde løsningen i fællesskabet”. Er det noget du kan bruge i
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din egen proces?
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Nickolaj: Ja. Det kører ikke altid lige godt i vores gruppe. Men det bliver bedre, fordi vi bliver
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bedre til at snakke sammen. For os handlede det om, at vi var for dårlige til at lave aftaler og
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holde deadlines. Vi har en god vejleder, der hjælper med at alt fungerer – også det sociale.
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Sofie: Hvordan er du blevet klogere – følelsesmæssigt, fagligt og socialt?
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Nickolaj: Følelsesmæssigt er jeg nok ikke blevet så meget klogere. Jeg vidste allerede godt, det
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er vigtigt at tale sammen. Jeg har været på arbejdsmarkedet i seks år inden jeg kom herind, så
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det ved jeg godt.
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Fagligt har det nok givet mig det, at jeg ikke længere er så nervøs over det projekt, vi er i gang
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med, fordi jeg ligesom er blevet bekræftet i, at det nok skal gå alligevel.
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Socialt tror jeg heller ikke, jeg er blevet så meget klogere.
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Pernille: Virker filmen realistisk?
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Nickolaj: Ja. Jeg synes ikke, der er noget tidspunkt, hvor det virker som om det er skuespil –
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bortset fra de scener, hvor det er meningen (western og gyser).
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Fokusgruppeinterview med Arianna, Kåre, Laura, Lluis og Suzan
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Sofie: What did you think about the movie in general?
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Lluis: I think it was a really good idea like to create like … as of my experience when something
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goes really bad, you really try to make it go bad, make it go right.
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Maybe you can make it a little bit better, but if your basic idea is crap, I’m not saying your idea is
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crap, but if your basic idea is crap, it’s better to rethink everything.
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But I have a doubt. The thing that’s not really clear to me, all these parts where (...) this was
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planned or improvised?
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Like when you record some of the parts, this was after you rethink the idea? I don’t know how to
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say it.
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Christoffer: It’s a mix. After we realized we couldn’t keep the idea, we had to reconstruct the
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whole lot of things. Of course the interviews was made afterwards and the thing in the basement
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was made afterwards.
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Lluis: O.K., it was not real.
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Christoffer: No, but when we were out shooting, that was pretty much … whenever you could
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not see the camera it was the real footage ...
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Lluis: It’s like a good thing that you don’t really know if you are acting or the real thing.
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Christoffer: Anyone else?
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Laura: I think you found a really good solution to the problem. I think we all at the beginning, as
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we all had the same project, was a bit confused about we were doing about the project. And you
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found a really good solution.
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Arianna: I really liked that you showed what happened behind the scenes, I really liked that.
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Kåre: I was confused, like Lluis. You are filming you, discussing what you are going to do? It
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was a bit confusing.
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Sofie: Yeah it’s a bit meta.
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Kåre: It was really like … but it makes sense.
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Sofie: Does it?
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Suzan: Yeah, my thoughts when I watched it first time which was at the showtime. I thought
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maybe as a group you had a lot of problems. Because of the whole group dynamic thing feels a
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bit undefined. I don’t know.
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It seems like you didn’t really have had a lot of communication. So I thought it was your way of
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handling the whole problems by filming the reflections you have had about the group dynamic.
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But I don’t know if that was the idea. But as Lluis said I wasn’t sure about what the idea was or
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what the message was?
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Sofie: We will come back to that later. Can one of you explain the story?
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Kåre: Its about a group who decided to do something, and then they find out they have taken a
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mouthfull of what they could do. And then they just decide to make a video of what they decided
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not to do or how they come to that process. Saying basically “We can’t do this and what can we
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do?. We can’t just saying we can’t do without saying what we should do”.
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Just basically showing what every group go through in group formation. At one point you
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change for problem formation and work questions. So you change a lot of things in group work.
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The problem is you had to do it on camera and with a very short deadline.
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Suzan: And you sum up the whole topic in the end with the storyboard. That really like connects.
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Lluis: Yeah, because first you are a bit confused. Because there is not really a timeline in the
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first beginning, but in the end it becomes more clear.
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Christoffer: Yeah, it’s one thing we discussed a lot. How to tell the story so you wouldn’t just sit
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and watch for three minutes while not understanding what was going on and then get the
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explanation.
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Lluis: But that was good (...)
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Laura: It keeps curiosity about what is going on.
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Sofie: So you get the whole thing when I’m standing there with the storyboard? That’s where
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you get it?
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Lluis: Yes, in my case at least.
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Suzan: Yeah, the more you watch it, the more you understand.
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Lluis: At the beginning I was like “Oh, they filmed themselves”, I got it from the first time. I was
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like “They filmed themselves from the beginning, thats a good idea. They didn’t know what to do
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and then just filmed themselves doing it”. I got it at the first time.
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Maybe I thought it was more like a making-of, not that much meta.
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Sofie: So before the last storyboard, you are all confused?
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Laura: Not me.
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Suzan: Can you ask the question again?
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Sofie: When we present this film. A lot of people say they first get it when I present the last
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storyboard at the end.
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Suzan: I mean if your film is about filming your own process, then I get it in the beginning.
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I think its pretty clear. Because you see the group members and the discussion you have
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among the group.
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Christoffer: What was your take on the message, if there is a message, in the film? Of course
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the message could be just to document our own process, but if we have to use it communication
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wise, perhaps there could be another message? So what did you see as the message of the
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film?
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Laura: Be creative and not get stuck. You know.
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Suzan: Yeah, I was gonna say the same.
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Kåre: It’s never too late to change your topic. Just takes a bit more work.
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Lluis:There is always a way out.
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Kåre: Yeah.
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Sofie: Yeah, that was some of the messages. We also thought about message being something
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that being in a team, a group is very, very difficult and hard.
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Suzan: Yeah, it’s interesting, it can go very way possible direction.
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Sofie: But everythings gonna be alright. That is some of the messages too. Do you think you
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can use that in your own process?
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Suzan: Like what exactly?
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Sofie: If you are gonna do a movie. Maybe you can think “Oh, that’s what they did?”. You are a
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bit too old for this target group.
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Suzan: Because your target group is people who just started at RUC?
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Sofie: Yeah, exactly?
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Suzan: O.K., well they can be a target group. They haven't done a project yet.
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Christoffer: One of the problems we see with the movie is that maybe it doesn’t give an exact
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solution on how to fix things. So how to use the movie for everything?
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Suzan: I think it’s encouraging. It encourages people to relax and take all the approaches you
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get along the way and use them in a constructive way. It doesn’t only have to be used for
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people in a RUC project group, it can also be used with very basic groups.
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Laura: It shows problems that you have with your work. It’s basic problems that you find every
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time you work in a work project.
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Christoffer: Do you identify yourselves with a character or more characters in the film and why?
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Suzan: To be honest, I don’t really felt that I got such a good impression. You didn’t really get to
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know the characters that much, because it was really fast.
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Lluis: You don’t see a really big difference between the characters. They had different opinions,
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but they were like … everyone had all feelings about the process, but they were all kind of …
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Suzan: The girl who was here before, with the short hair. Pernille, yeah. I had an impression
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that she was like the older, the mom, the wiser.
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And then I had, the other guy (Marc), he’s not here right now. I had an impression that he was
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just a bit like, I don’t know, maybe he was like very critical towards everything. Yeah, that was
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my impression.
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And then I had the impression that you (peger på Sofie) were a bit in the middle, the mediator,
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trying to get hold of all the ideas and makes sense.
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Lluis: There’s not much (....) but you can really see, like, a little the role of each one in the
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group. There’s always like in every group, the ones that’s in terms of the group and have to take
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the other one, like make them ….
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Suzan: Pernille was saying that if you criticize an idea, you need to come up with something
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new. Was that your idea? (peger på Christoffer).
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Was it because you rejected an idea, that’s how I understood it.
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I thought it was really nice that you accepted that criticism. To be honest I really didn't get like a
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deep impression.
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Christoffer: Yeah, but it’s also a really short movie.
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Suzan: But I think my impression is also influenced by the fact that some of you are sitting here
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right now ...
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Sofie: So you can’t say what you want to about all the characters?
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Suzan: Not really.
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Sofie: Maybe it’s just not comfortable to say it.
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Suzan: No, like if it’s a part of the question, I can do it. But if it’s not, I don’t think it’s necessary.
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Laura: I identify with the group the moment where you (Sofie) were like “Come on guys, it will
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work out”, I felt like we had the same moment, when we were out filming the parade and we
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were like “O.K., what are we gonna do with this?”. We were so lost and were like “Come on
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guys” the exact same moment like you.
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Christoffer: So you had another video idea?
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Laura: No, we were filming, but we were filming for a different idea.
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Lluis: Yeah, the idea were more focused on the whole parade thing. But after recording the
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parade we were like really lost. We didn't have enough footage to make, we didn’t have
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interviews from the people in the parade.
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Laura: Yeah, things didn’t work out the way we wanted so we’re like “Fuck, what are we gonna
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do?”.
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Sofie: With whom did you have sympathy with?
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Suzan: Of the characters?
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Sofie: Yeah.
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Suzan: I actually had sympathy with you (peger på Christoffer), because I felt like you were
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locked up in a corner by two women. And that it could be like very harsh sometimes.
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But other than that I don’t know, as I told you, because I don’t have the biggest impressions of
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the characters.
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Lluis: Yeah, but if you see the interviews of the two girls and the two boys and then Christoffer
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alone. It seems that you (peger på Christoffer) were a bit out of the group. I don’t know if it was
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intentional. More like an outsider.
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Christoffer: I wasn’t available the day we shot the footage, so we had to take the interviews
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another day.
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But it is nice to know because it’s stuff that we don’t think about, or I didn’t think about. But it
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makes sense that you know.
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Sofie: It’s hard to see it outside.
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Christoffer: But we can totally follow you. It’s not like we tried to make two fronts at war with
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each other, we tried to do it very honest, you know.
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Sofie: It wasn’t just the way, afterwards we saw that the girls just wanted to go ahead, and the
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boys wanted to make something else, and that was just like a coincidence.
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Suzan: Can I ask how you formed the groups in the workshop? Because it was very random for
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us, he just counted, and …
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Sofie: But ehmm, how do you get the structure?
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Christoffer: Yeah, we’ve already talked a bit about it, but just to specify it.
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Suzan: In the beginning I didn’t really get the structure, I thought you were jumping back and
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forth in between “handling” …
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Laura: … and the real scenes.
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Suzan: But in the beginning (hun mener slutningen) when you (Sofie) hold the storyboard, as I
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said before, I think it connected everything.
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Lluis: (mumler noget)
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Suzan: What?
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Lluis: You said in the beginning.
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Suzan: Oh, yeah yeah yeah.
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Kåre: But, yeah, it was a bit like “Maybe we wanted to do this” (...) you go back to doing the first
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thing you talked about – it’s a bit confusing.
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Christoffer: So in the first scene – you know – the first scene in the basement where you (Sofie)
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say “Fuck”, you don’t really know?
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Suzan: No, I didn’t get that.
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Kåre: And it wasn’t subtitled, that’s a bit funny.
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Sofie: It was in the beginning, I don’t really know. But “Fuck”, it’s still English.
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But it says in the sequence afterwards, where I’m standing in my Roskilde T-shirt, that : “Two
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days earlier”, “To dage tidligere”.
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Kåre: Argh, might have been lost in the ermmm.
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Laura: Yeah, I didn’t see that.
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Sofie: Yeah, it was in Danish so, and it wasn’t translated.
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Lluis: Yeah ok, that’s true, there’s something.
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Kåre: That makes, that would have made everything much more logical. I didn’t see the “Two
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days earlier”, but I think it actually makes sense.
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Laura: But it was in Danish?
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Sofie: Yeah, it was in Danish, so you (peger på Kåre) could.
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Laura: But he didn’t see it.
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Sofie: Yeah, but it’s like ermm, covered (...).
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Christoffer: Did you (Suzan) see it?
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Suzan: Yeah, but I think that I didn’t really think that much about the “Two days earlier”. Maybe,
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I don’t know, if you wanna show it again?
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Christoffer: No.
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Sofie: But we talked to – we spoke to a guy yesterday, who saw the film without subtitles, and
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he said that he didn’t notice.
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Suzan: I did, but I didn’t really think about what it meant.
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Sofie: Yeah.
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Suzan: It’s there like two or three seconds.
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Kåre: Really?
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Lluis: I saw it, but I didn’t understand it.
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Christoffer: No no, but still, you know, it’s very understandable because you don’t really get any
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information, and all of the sudden it just says “Two days earlier”. Two days earlier from what?
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Some people sitting in a random room saying random stuff, you know.
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We don’t have enough questions, blah blah blah.
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Laura: So who came with the idea about the end? It was everyone?
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Sofie: Down at the basement where I was really pissed at the guys, because: “What are you
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doing?” – and then I just saw a camera, and then I thought it could be funny if this camera was
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turned on and had filmed all the things and me going crazy, and then that could have been fun.
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Suzan: I thought – I remember some of the videos from showtime, the Danish videos – and
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emm, I remember saying to one of you (peger på sine gruppemedlemmer), when we were
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sitting in the big room, that I like yours a lot, because it was so different from the others, the
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other Danish videos. Like it really “skildte sig ud”.
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Lluis: (...) you really feel, it’s really close to reality for me, like the ways (…), the way you’re
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filming, and the way the interviews are done also, you really feel like: This is real, and you
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know… When you say like you made interviews, what were you saying, like what you were
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saying was scripted? Or you were just more or less improvising.
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Sofie: The interviews?
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Lluis: Yeah.
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Christoffer: Improvised.
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Sofie: Yeah, we just told about our feelings and how we felt yesterday.
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Lluis: Because it’s really ... you really feel ...
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Christoffer: We didn’t write scripts for any of the scenes, well we had like: “You walk in from over
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here because ...”, but most of it had something to do with how it really happened.
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Sofie: (...)
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Christoffer: But it’s nice too, that you felt it was real, because it’s very essential.
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Lluis: (...)
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Sofie: Have you gotten any wiser?
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Suzan: I don’t know, for me it’s just maybe a reconfirmation of how fucked it can be to be in a
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group.
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Lluis: Yeah, I mean you don’t, I didn’t really learn anything new, but it’s a good, really good umm
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representation, or something like that, of a groups work and sometimes.
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Kåre: It’s hard to boil down like three months of decision-making into four minutes video.
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Sofie: Yeah.
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Kåre: I mean, think about it, we have four weeks, or I think five weeks after the to do our project.
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Suzan: Do you guys also have to write 30 pages?
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Christoffer: Yeah, something like that.
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Suzan: It’s not the regular 60 pages.
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Christoffer: How about you, have you?
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Laura: It’s the same about, learning about it’s hard to be in a group, but at the end you have to
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make something work.
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Christoffer: Does it look any different from your countries? Like is it different in Spain and Italy?
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Lluis: No, no, in my case it’s more or less the same.
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Laura: (...) people are more colored.
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Lluis: Yeah, more shouting and more, and people are more excited. But yeah, it’s more or less
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the same.
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Laura: Yeah, it’s the same problems.
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Suzan: Yeah, but I think our group is also a bit crazy.
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Laura: Yeah, we are (...).
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Kåre: It is an interesting effort in communication.
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Suzan: What?
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Kåre: It is an interesting effort in communication, to do group work.
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Suzan: I didn’t get that part?
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Kåre: There is a lot of communication that we need to. There was a lot of communication
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problems the first week, and now we have sort of sorted out what people say when different.
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Lluis: We’ve discovered each other a bit more.
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Laura: We have learned to live with it.
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Lluis: Like two weeks ago, there was really like tense situations.
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(Laura peger på Kåre og Suzan)
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Suzan: Yeah, for me. I have not been in a group with international students, and I have done
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group projects. And it is very different from this group compared to my other groups.
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Arianna: I've actually never done project work in Italy, we don't do it, so we have no experience.
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Christoffer: Do you think it would have helped to watch our movie before you started group
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work?
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Arianna: Maybe it would be a little bit more scary, because I mean everyone has different
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opinion and everybody want to do things different so it was a little bit stressful watching it at first.
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Suzan: But do you think that you would have gotten an impression by how project work is at
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RUC by watching this video?
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Arianna: Yes a little bit yes, in my mind, I mean an opinion of how all this works, because every
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person is different so it's normal that everyone wants to do different things, it's quite normal, but
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I think by watching this video it could be fun.
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Christoffer: Let’s go to the next question: It's meant for new group students at Roskilde, do you
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think it would you know have any impact on new students on how they see RUC and how they
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would eventually go on and make a wrong?
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Suzan: When I think back, like three-four years earlier, I think from my highschool when it was
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group work it was very normal, the way you were, so I have always been used to group work,
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also when I was at boarding school, but I honestly don't think you can imagine how it is before
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you are working with it because RUC is very particular in that sense, and I can also feel that a
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bit with you, Arianna, who said you never been in a group before, so I don’t know, that’s my
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opinion, it's hard to imagine how it is.
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Kåre: It changes from semester to semester because then you get more method or use another
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methodology or your supervisor is from another university or have a third opinion, now this
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semester I have one and then next semester you get another one.
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Suzan: Yeah, I actually felt in the beginning, like are you serious? And the more I ‘studied’ it
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became less serious, in the first semester in the house we had different rooms where you could
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go around and like speak with other people who could be interested in the same topics as you,
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so you just had to go and shop around.
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And then you had to present yourself and it would be very transboundary, because you just
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started at RUC and you had to sell yourself in order to be in a group with other people. Where in
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art session? We made groups just by counting, we didn't even do that in high school.
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Kåre: I think that if we had known that our new project would also be our final project, I think we
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would have done it in another way.
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Sofie: If you are happy that you are new students at RUC, do you think the communication is
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good?
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Arianna: We are new students, and we have had the course and they explained the project work
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in a different way and they chose dug bags and everything, and I was expecting something
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more complicated and more academic and close and strict. And when I have started, I see more
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options and more open.
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Suzan: It doesn't have to be straightforward, that’s the whole idea of RUC.
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Laura: But I like imagined a bigger project, and in the film it's just I think it's more general, I
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compare it to my projects I did in Spain, we have to have an idea and have to be creative.
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There’s a moment you get to a point you think "This is shit, we can't use this" and then you have
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to start all over again. You can't relate.
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Suzan: But I don't know if you have seen those videos? I think they are made by Train. There
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are some animation videos how you work in groups and how they function. I saw those before I
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started, they kind of give you an idea of how RUC’s groupwork works.
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Christoffer: So maybe this as an communication project this isn't the best way to communicate
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to new students because they have to experience it themselves?
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Suzan: No, because I think in your video you touch a lot of different topics, and maybe that’s not
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the best way to communicate to new students who are very nervous and confused and have a
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lot of expectations. Because you’re trying to make a horror movie in the video as well, I see the
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connection, but the videos on the web I think, it’s really good.
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Laura: But in the video, it’s more realistic, because when you come to reality it’s different, it’s
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more real. It’s not gonna leave the best impression ‘cause it’s a little scary, but we can put in a
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way where we say it’s not to scare you, but tell it’s normal to get stuck.
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Sofie: So you would show the video to groups with problems?
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Laura: Yeah, it would be like "See people, we were just like you" and they find a solution.
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Suzan: I was happy after watching your video, ‘cause I was in the same situation in my last
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project.
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Sofe: So it's better to show to people with problems than people who hasn't even started at
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RUC?
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Kåre: I would not show it to new students, but maybe a month in the group work.
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Suzan: Yeah exactly.
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Sofie: What changes would you suggest?
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Kåre: Storyline more clear, and the issue and topics, narrow it down.
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Laura: If you want to encourage people I would put a message in the end.
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Suzan: “Two days earlier”, I didn’t get the point.
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Laura: If you wanna communicate a problem you need to be more clear. Nice with a closing.
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Kåre: The whole "I felt like this was not working, so we should change things or stop" is very
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important because a lot of times people don't want to say anything, and they just do things to do
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it.
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Sofie: Before the film was finished, we had an introduction where Christoffer said "I don't think
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this is working, would you mind changing it al all?" instead of me saying "Fuck". Would that be
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better?
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Lluis: It would be more clear but I also like the thing about not knowing what's going on.
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Sofie: Our supervisor said it was to give too much away.
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Kåre: You could in the middle have some confused people debating.
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Christoffer: Did you understand the first introduction to the first movie idea?
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Laura: Well, you film the same things but with different effects?
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Kåre: Well, you always know people will die in the horror movie, because of the light and
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sounds.
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Christoffer: We only had four minutes so we didn’t have time.
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Christoffer: I think we are done.
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