The Messenger Trinity Episcopal Church, Columbus, Georgia The Rev. Timothy Graham, Rector The Rev. Nicholas Hull, Curate Joseph Golden, Organist & Choirmaster Paul Culp, Associate Organist & Choirmaster November 2014 From the Rector From the Rev. Timothy H. Graham, Rector A few days ago I returned from a nice vacation at the beach. It was great to have a break in my routine, and I enjoyed the beautiful weather and leisure time in that relaxing place. The best part of my vacation, however, was spending time with family. Vacations are often occasions to reconnect with family. As I was reflecting on family, and also thinking about what I wanted to say to you this month, the theme of family remained in my mind. We all experience a sense of family in many different ways. Church is also a family for us. I would suggest that some recent ministry events here at Trinity Church, and some planned events in our near future, are all about family. The recent visit of Lord and Lady Carey was a wonderful event in the life of our parish, and a time for us to remember forever. What a great privilege it was to spend quality, intimate time with the Archbishop of Canterbury! As a leader of our worldwide Anglican Communion, Lord Carey has influenced millions of faithful Christians in his lifetime. He has traveled the world preaching the Gospel. We enjoyed his profound words and his excellent preaching. But his real gift to us, and Lady Carey’s gift, was their warm connection to us. The relationships we made with them remind us that we are connected to a very large family. We are linked to faithful Christians all over the globe. Last week we joined our family from St. Thomas Episcopal Church for their traditional All Hallows’ Eve Trunk-orTreat in their parking lot. Lots of folks from Trinity showed up in costume with bags of candy to share and ready to have a great time - and one was had by all! This was our second year joining our family members from St. Thomas for this wonderful event and we are so grateful they extended an invitation to us once again. It’s important for family to have fun together! We have other upcoming events at Trinity Church that are all about family too. We have begun our annual Thanksgiving food drive for families within the outreach program at Chattahoochee Valley Episcopal Ministry. Those brothers and sisters who will benefit from your generosity are our family as well. Our partner parishes connected to CVEM remind us that we can do more together than any of us can do alone. Each week we share our gently used clothing with family members. Our brothers and sisters who visit Trinity’s Clothes Closet each week are reminded of our faithfulness and care. We are so grateful for all the donations we have received thus far and pray you will continue to support this wonderful ministry. We are in special need of men’s clothing; particularly jeans (especially larger sizes), and warm, casual clothing. Men’s tennis shoes and boots are needed as well. New socks and underwear are needed for both men and women. Ours is a family that cares well and shares well. Saturday, November 15 Trinity’s youth ministry will partner with the youth from our neighbors at First Presbyterian Church to create a special day for some very deserving young people. This outreach project is something that we can all participate in. We are working together with our family next door to share God’s love by doing something very special for our family members who live a few blocks from our church. (See ad in this same newsletter issue to find out more about this project and get involved!) On Sunday, November 16 after the 10:30 am worship service we will get together and enjoy a special parish family meal - our 7th Annual Parish Family Thanksgiving. I hope you will plan to be a part of it! We are family. Thanks be to God. Fr. Tim Graham Building a Spirit-empowered community that serves and celebrates Christ. “Let my prayer come before thee: incline thine ear unto my cry;” Psalm 88:2 We pray God’s protection for those serving in battle: Trent Slaton, Marc Fish In Our Prayers: Ruth Prestridge Jane Shirah Andrew Rothschild Twyla Dudley Andrew Wade Wesley Fay Jackie Alford Frankie Wickham Carol Spakes Leslie Mitchell Dot Young Kay Young Liz Scrantom Barbara Hunter Sally Day Ann Sturkie Julie Young Rudi C. Pierson The Helms/Graham families for the loss of Lorena Helms In Thanksgiving: For the wedding of Carter Blanchard Staples, daughter of Mr. & Mrs. Charles T. Staples, to Ryan McDowell Jackson on Saturday, October 11, 2014. For the wedding of the Rev. Nicholas Andrew Hull & Leandra Lucy Burke on Saturday, October 11, 2014 in Alexandria, VA. If you know of a Parishioner who is in the hospital, has had a child, or is facing some crisis, please let the Parish Office know so our Parish family can respond. Being Intentionally Unintentional The Rev. Nick Hull – Being intentional is very much a buzzword in the Episcopal world, and for good reason. We should be intentional about our faith through worship, prayer, study, and responsibility to our community and planet. For all of these very good reasons intentionality has exploded across the Church lexicon with Intentional Communities springing up on campuses housing students that share a common passion, and with religious leaders urging their audiences to adapt an intentional rule of life. All of this is wonderful, but I cannot help but to fear for the future of un-intentionality and all of its wondrous virtues. Being intentional can help keep us on track with habits that we are trying to form that we might be averse to adapting. Being intentional about keeping an ethical diet could mean only having meat at one meal a day, or supporting local farmers by shopping at farmers markets at least once a week. These rules can change lives and communities by going against the lulling trap of convenience. Once again all of this is good, but all of this intention leaves me craving the chaos of adventure and the joy of unexpected laughter. I loved my time in Seminary, but I often felt over encumbered with the plethora of events, classes, meetings, services, and community activities that I felt the need to escape. Taking the time to get on my bike and leave campus with no itinerary, schedule or route in mind opened my life to the Spirit. I often found myself riding into the city and finding myself in some gallery finding God in an exhibit that I would never have found on my own, or in a chance encounter with a friend on the street. Even when my bike rides did not lead me to any remarkable experience or revelation I always felt refreshed and energized knowing that the world would continue without me when I am not plugged into the drone of daily life. Why not skip that meeting tonight and explore in the woods with your child, or get on your bike abandoning any other goal other than embracing that seed of joy that may be lying dormant from when we first took off the training wheels? Fr. Nick Hull St. Francis Fund Committee Update The St. Francis Fund Committee met on October 15, 2014 at 5:30 pm at the church. The committee voted to give VAPOR $4,000. VAPOR engages some of the world’s poorest places and establishes centers for poverty alleviation and disciple making. They use sports as a vehicle to connect and share the Gospel. Partnering with local faith communities they build fields, establish leagues, and initiate organized, humanitarian projects. The center’s indigenous staff members serve as coaches and spiritual mentors. They are trained to meet both the immediate basic needs of the children and to introduce them to the love of Christ. The St. Francis Fund support will be used for the Banana Farm Sustainability project in Haiti. At each center VAPOR partners with a church and in Haiti it is an Episcopal church. The banana farm at their center is a project designed to help sustain the center financially. Micro businesses are used to train people and equip them to be self-sustaining. VAPOR covers the cost of setting up the business and leading these people to accountability. New officers for the St. Francis Fund Committee for 2015 were nominated and approved. New officers are: Chairman, Rick Damke; Co-Chairman, Sally Walden; Secretary/Communications, Muffy Schladensky. The committee welcomed new member Wright Waddell to the committee. The committee thanked John Holt, Chairman of the St. Francis Fund, for his extraordinary leadership and faithfulness for the past two years. John’s tireless efforts enabled the St. Francis Fund to play an integral role in the foundation of Trinity House and Grace House, ministries of the Chattahoochee Valley Jail Ministry. These ministries have richly blessed our parish. Spotlight: “We Are Trinity!” Jean Romeo Jean’s long life began in 1925 in Columbus where she has lived her entire life. She had two older sisters who predeceased her during the last ten years. She and her late husband Billy met at a dance in 1946 and married the next year in Trinity’s chapel. Her only job was working for a short time as a dental assistant. She and Billy decided that she should stay at home with their family. Billy was dedicated to his work with Boy Scout Troop 6, planning camping trips every weekend. Jean would stay with his parents while he was away and was supportive during his many years of scouting service until his death in 1998. FAMILY: The Romeos have two daughters, Nancy Poole and Debbie Buce. Nancy and her husband Jimmy have one son, Juston, who lives in Atlanta. When Debbie is out of town, Jean enjoys dog sitting with her dachshund granddog, Sea Biscuit. HER FAITH: Jean was raised in the First Baptist Church and Billy was an Episcopalian. After they had a family, the decision was made that they should belong to the same church. Since Billy was a cradle Episcopalian, Jean joined Trinity in 1958. In 1983 she was elected to serve on the Vestry for three years, which proved to be a rewarding experience for Jean. On New Year’s Eve of 2003, the car in which Jean was a passenger was struck by a drunk driver. She suffered a broken neck and spent three months in a “halo.” She made a complete and remarkable recovery except for some loss of mobility in her neck. HOBBIES: Jean loves books and movies about murder mysteries. Almost every morning she meets friends for their two mile walk at the mall. She functions better by following a rigid schedule, waking at 5:00 am to start her day! She spends much of her time caring for friends and family, making daily calls to check on a friend, visiting another friend in the nursing home, and helping anyone who might need her. She is devoted, generous, caring and also headstrong. Jean reminds us of the “Energizer bunny” and can work longer and harder than many of her younger friends. She is always ready to go and is the self-appointed social organizer for many senior trips and outings. ON TRINITY: This dedicated and remarkable lady serves as a member of the Altar Guild, St. Lydia’s Guild, a Prayer Breakfast team, and the D.O.K. For many years she has come to Trinity very early every Sunday morning to prepare the orange juice for the Prayer Breakfast. She will help set tables, clear tables, or do anything necessary. Jean faithfully attends the 8:00 am service and Bill Stahl’s Bible study. If you ask Jean how she feels about Trinity, she responds, “I really love Trinity!” By the way, on November 4 Jean will enjoy another birthday and plans to spend this special day working at the polls. She has worked at the same voting precinct for many years, beginning with the Kennedy election in 1960. HAPPY 89th BIRTHDAY, JEAN! Great News for Children! Joseph Golden – Things that everyone knows about helping children learn: 1. Children involved in the Arts have a distinct advantage in excelling in all other disciplines. 2. Children involved in the Arts demonstrate higher levels of thinking and problem solving. 3. Children involved in the Arts have heightened teamwork skills. 4. Children involved in Music in particular achieve noticeably higher success in all math studies. 5. Children who participate in church musical activities are developing roots of their faith manifested in service and dedication to their parish. These are roots that will last a lifetime. 6. Children who have been active in church music at an early age have a much higher chance of remaining connected to the church when they move on to college/ university life and/or returning to church when they begin their own family and professional lives later on. We at Trinity Church have a strong tradition of music in worship, and our Music Team wants to offer musical training for your children. We’re wanting to take a NEW APPROACH to Children’s Choir with LIMITED COMMITMENT SESSIONS: 1. Identify a Sunday in the January-May 2015 season, when a Trinity Children’s Choir will sing during the 10:30 am service. 2. Plan 5 rehearsal sessions before that chosen date. 3. The children will learn to read and understand music and be trained in healthy singing techniques that will last for their entire lives. 4. Add to the children’s already rich experience that comes through their exposure to the Trinity Children’s Ministries. The LIMITED COMMITMENT concept is an exciting new approach, and it will allow our children to add musical training and the enhancement of all of the essentials listed above at a crucial time in their lives. If you’re a parent of children in grades 3-5, please consider adding your child to the roster of those who are excited about this new approach by contacting Paul Culp, Associate Organist/Choirmaster, and join in this new ministry! Sunday, November 1 – Trinity will host a Safeguarding God’s Children certification class from 9:00 am - 12:00 pm. Safeguarding God's Children is a program that empowers and educates members of the church about how to prevent any type of abuse from happening at a church function. Contact Kathryn Scoggins at the Parish Office at (706) 322-5569 or [email protected] if you are interested in attending. Sunday, November 2 – It’s All Saints’ Day! During the 10:30 am worship service the children will process dressed as different saints to celebrate saints throughout the history of the Church. Any child who would like to participate in Trinity’s traditional annual pageant should meet Mrs. Kathryn upstairs in Holywood at 9:30 am. Saturday, November 15 – Join the youth of Trinity and First Presbyterian Church, Teen Challenge, and the families of Wilson Homes (3400 8th Avenue Columbus) for a Fall Family Festival! Join us from 11:00 am to 2:30 pm at Wilson Homes for games, food, and fun! Wednesday, December 17 – Take a break from the holiday busyness and join us here in the Parish Hall for a Christmas Cookie Party & Movie! Both young and young at heart are invited to join us for the Parish Family Dinner at 5:30 in the Parish Hall. Then at 6:30 we'll sip a festive winter beverage and decorate yummy cookies while we listen to Christmas music and watch How the Grinch Stole Christmas! This year the children will be preparing cookies for our Prayer Breakfast attendees joining us that following Sunday, December 21. They'll also get to take some home! *This will be our intergenerational Trinity Children’s Ministries For it is to such as these that the Kingdom of heaven belongs. Gratitude Kathryn Scoggins – “Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.” – 1 Thessalonians 5: 16-18 As we approach Thanksgiving, we often turn our attention to ways that we can express our gratitude. Here are a few simple ways to help your child learn to express their gratitude: 1. Teach your child to write a “Thank You” note: Help your children create and write a thank you card to someone who makes a difference in their lives. 2. Small gestures of kindness: Help your child draw pictures for people in a retirement home or send cards to children in the hospital. Help them bake cookies for neighbors. Involve your child in thinking of small ways to share what they have with others. 3. Incorporate gratitude into your daily routine: It doesn’t take more than a minute or two to name one thing that we are thankful for! You could do this in the car on the way home from school, at the dinner table, before bedtime, or any free moment that you have to notice blessings big and small. Following along in this same spirit of gratitude, Trinity Children’s and Youth Ministries will be partnering with Chattahoochee Valley Episcopal Ministries to bring Thanksgiving dinner to six families this year. Our 2014 Thanksgiving food drive will take place between Sunday, October 19 through Sunday, November 16. You may drop food items needed to complete a traditional Thanksgiving dinner in the donation baskets located inside Trinity’s Parish Office. (See the Youth Ministry page in this issue for more info!) Another popular and convenient way to give is by purchasing a VISA gift card loaded with any amount you are able to donate, and leaving it in the offering plate on, clearly marked, or with a Trinity Staff member in the Parish Office. *Gift cards must be received by Friday, November 14!* On November 16 children will lend a hand by helping to pack the food for these six families. Update on the Children’$ Offering: Our November Children’s Offering will go to Trinity House, a shelter for women and children. With the collection we will be able to purchase Christmas gifts for children who might not otherwise receive them. Last year our awesome children collected $479.91 to purchase clothes and Christmas gifts for 5 kids at Trinity House. Please help us again as we support this important ministry! Lucius Morton Connie Armstrong, Kathleen Bishop Glenn Fish George & Judy Wilkinson Carl Fedde Team II – Brooks Yancey Rick Damke Katie Damke, Muffy Schladensky Carlo Thorington Team I – John Holt & Bill Scrantom Lectors Greeters Verger Ushers 3 2 1 Jack Winn, Jr. Patti Simkins Benson Smith Jacquie Rawls Carol Vowell Ruth Prestridge Carlo Thorington Kevin & Marcie Topping Chris Henson Harlan Price 8:00 am Bob Miller 10:30 am Muffy Schladensky/P, Mollie Smith/†, Dr. Peggy Augustine-Shorter/* Eucharistic Ministers P – Prayers † - High Altar * - Lower Altar 4 Jean Romeo Ceil Bone Will Peek Kelley Watts 5 Olivia Wells 6 Tracy Mourer 7 Carter Watts 8 Jack Collins 9 Meghan Twigg Traeger Young 10 Dr. Peggy Augustine-Shorter Maggie Yancey 11 Dot Young Laura Kate Rambo 13 John Shinkle George & Judy Wilkinson Carl Fedde 8:00 am Bill Perkins 10:30 am Paul Berry/P, Trip Parker/†, Sydney Smith/* 8:00 am Jean & Bob Miller 10:30 am Dr. Peggy Augustine-Shorter, Christina Stahl 8:00 am Dr. Burch Cameron 10:30 am Philip Schley/P, Jo Myers/†, Harlan Price/* Emily Doll 14 Ken Henson, Jr. Lily Twigg 15 Elizabeth Woods Katie Anne Solomons 16 Charlotte Laverty Theo Pound 17 Pat Passailaigue 18 Dr. Waverley Dashiell Chloey Price 19 Effie Bowers 20 Laura Tidwell 21 Joseph Sillitto 22 Sally Rowe Lillie Caves Team V – Johnny Cargill Col. Robert Robinson 8:00 am Bill Harper 10:30 am Trip Parker/P, David Fox/†, Sarah Riddick/* 8:00 am Nell Hudson, Barbara Rivers 10:30 am Debroah Mills, Barbara Korzan *If your birthday is missing or listed incorrectly, please call the Parish Office at (706) 322-5569. *In the October 2014 issue of The Messenger Mr. Nick Baker's birthday on 10/4 was left off in error. He turned 32!* Team IV – Carlo Thorington 8:00 am Mary Boyd Trussell, Ellen Cameron 10:30 am Polly Scrantom, Trudy Wade 8:00 am Gary Cason 10:30 am Doug McLeod/P, Harlan Price/†, Carl Fedde/* 23 Laura Porter 25 Ashley Holt 26 Richard Waddell, Jr. Mary Maurice Young Ford Garrard 27 Debroah Mills Melanie Smith 28 Margot Schley Connie Armstrong 29 Claire Berry 30 Hon. Kenneth Followill Henry Mullin, Jr. Mary Stewart Mullin November Birthdays Team III – Chuck Staples 8:00 am Mona Thorington, Barbara Rivers 10:30 am Kevin & Marcie Topping Jill Hiers 8:00 am Nell Hudson, Barbara Rivers 10:30 am Debroah Mills, Barbara Korzan Jean Romeo Prayer Intercessors Vicky Partin Katie Damke November 30 – First Sunday of Advent Scout Troop 6 November 23 – Last Sunday after Pentecost: Christ the King Prayer B’fast Ministry November 16 – 23rd Sunday after Pentecost Linen Guild – Team II November 9 – 22nd Sunday after Pentecost November Service Schedule November 2 – All Saints’ Sunday Altar Guild – Team II Mon Tue Wed 4 – ELECTION DAY 5 10:30 am Prayer Group 11:00 am Women’s Bible Study w/C. Bradshaw Parlor 11:30 am HE II w/Healing 5:30 pm Parish Family Dinner 6:00 pm Tots & Tunes/Music Makers 6:30 pm Trinity Choir rehearsal 6:30 pm Christian Ed. programs November 2014 Sun 17 10:00 am 10:30 am 2:30 pm 5:30 pm Prayer Group HE II w/Healing 18 19 Bridge (Library) 10:30 am Prayer Group 11:00 am Women’s Bible Staff Study w/C. Bradshaw Parlor 11:30 am HE II w/Healing 4:15 pm Covenant Woods Lucy Shepherd Guild 6:00 pm St. Lydia’s Guild Vestry 5:30 pm St. Francis Fund mtg. 5:30 pm Parish Family Dinner 6:00 pm Tots & Tunes/Music Makers Trinity Choir rehearsal Christian Ed. programs 24 10:00 am Bridge (Library) 10:30 am Staff *NO dinner, programs, or choir due to Thanksgiving. 6:30 pm 6:30 pm 25 26 11:00 am *NO Women’s Bible 10:30 am Study w/C. Bradshaw 11:30 am 11:00 am Spring Harbor visit 10 11 – VETERAN’S DAY 12 10:00 am Bridge (Library) 10:30 am Prayer Group 10:00 am Finance Committee PARISH OFFICE CLOSED 11:30 am HE II w/Healing 11:00 am Staff 5:30 pm Parish Family Dinner 6:00 pm Tots & Tunes/Music Makers 6:30 pm Trinity Choir rehearsal 6:30 pm Christian Ed. programs 2 – ALL SAINTS’ SUNDAY 3 *Daylight Saving Time ENDS! 10:00 am Bridge (Library) 8:00 am HE I 10:30 am Staff 8:00 am Prayer Breakfast 9:00 am Parish Breakfast 9:30 am Sunday School 9:30 am Trinity Choir reh. 10:30 am HE II/Children’s Pag. 5:30 pm Youth Fellowship 9 – ANGLICAN HERITAGE 8:00 am HE I 8:00 am Prayer Breakfast 9:00 am Parish Breakfast 9:30 am Sunday School 9:30 am Trinity Choir reh. 10:30 am HE II/Bagpipers 12:00 pm English Country Dancing/P. Hall 5:30 pm Youth Fellowship 16 8:00 am HE I 8:00 am Prayer Breakfast 9:00 am *Cont. Parish Bfast. 9:30 am Sunday School 9:30 am Trinity Choir reh. 10:30 am HE II 12:00 pm 7th Annual Parish Fam. Thanksgiving 5:30 pm Youth Fellowship 23/30 – 1st Sunday of Advent 8:00 am HE I 8:00 am Prayer Breakfast 9:00 am Parish Breakfast 9:30 am Sunday School 9:30 am Trinity Choir reh. 10:30 am HE II 5:30 pm 23/Youth Fellowship *30 NO Youth Fell. Thu 6 7 7:00 am Men’s Bible Study w/C. Bradshaw (Parlor) 7:30 am HE I 8:00 am Parish Breakfast 12:00 pm Parish Life Cmte. Fri Sat 1 9:00 am - 12:00 pm Safeguarding God’s Children Certification & Training in Trinity’s Parish Hall 8 15 DIOCESAN COUNCIL IN ATLANTA 22 Trinity Youth with First Presbyterian Youth: Loving our neighbors with our neighbors. 11:00 am - 2:30 pm FALL FESTIVAL @ Wilson Homes apts. (3400 8th Ave. Columbus) 20 21 7:00 am Men’s Bible Study w/C. Bradshaw (Parlor) 7:30 am HE I 8:00 am Parish Breakfast 29 13 14 7:00 am Men’s Bible Study 11:00 am DOK w/C. Bradshaw (Parlor) 7:30 am HE I 8:00 am Parish Breakfast 28 27 – OFFICE CLOSED *NO services today. PARISH OFFICE CLOSED Only What You Do For Christ Will Last Anthony Estes – Whew, the month of October really flew by quickly! With so much going on I’ve had little time to reflect on what the month of October means to me personally. Usually when the weather gets cool and the fall colors start to show up all around us, I’m reminded of my mother. My mother, Carolyn Estes, died of breast cancer in October 2002. She was 43 years old. My mother was one of the sweetest, kindest persons that I have ever known. She raised me and my three sisters, alongside our father, in the fear of the Lord in a religious home. I probably inherited my musical talents from her as well. She was a saint, and I count her among those in the Great Cloud of Witnesses. The anniversary of her transition, All Saints’ Day, and Breast Cancer Awareness month will have all passed by the time this is printed. There is a timeless truth that my mother taught me that I always keep in the forefront of my mind. My mother would always tell me when I was young, “Only what you do for Christ will last.” Being a singer herself, no doubt she was referencing a Gospel song with that line as the refrain. Raymond Rasberry and Carl Hall of Broadway fame wrote this song that was performed by Raymond’s group, the Raymond Rasberry Singers. Raymond was a musical genius at an early age, learning piano by ear in the Ohio Pentecostal church where he grew up. Perhaps I reminded my mother of a young Raymond, being so gifted and practicing in ministry at such a young age. Raymond wrote a song full of truth, that the young me needed to hear. It’s a song full of truth that the 20-something me needs to hear. Perhaps you need to hear it too: Verse 1 – You may build great cathedrals large or small, you can build skyscrapers grand and tall, you may conquer all the failures of the past, but only what you do for Christ will last. Chorus – Remember only what You do for Christ will last. Remember only what you do for Christ will last, only what you do for Him will be counted at the end; only what you do for Christ will last. Verse 2 – You may seek earthly power and fame, the world might be impressed by your great name, soon the glories of this life will all be past, but only what you do for Christ will last. Verse 3 – Though your armies may control each hemisphere, and your orbits out in space cause men to cheer, your scientific knowledge may be vast, but only what you do for Christ will last. Verse 4 – Though your song and prayers are heard and praised by man, they've no meaning unless you've been born again, sinner, heed these words, don't let this harvest pass, for only what you do for Christ will last. Only what you do for Christ will last, Rasberry wrote. I think there are two meanings here. One meaning implies aid and another implies agency. If I am at home sick, you may offer to go to the grocery store for me. In this way you are helping me in a way that I may not be able to care for myself. On the other hand, when our delegates head up to Atlanta for the annual diocesan council, they will be speaking for Trinity Episcopal Church. They are acting as agents in our name. You see, none of the stuff we do is important or meaningful if it isn’t for Christ. If it doesn't bring God glory by acting as Christ would act, it always comes up short on the scale of righteousness. As creatures that bear the image of God, we bear that image to the world we live in. On our worst day, our actions should be an aid to the promulgation of the Kingdom of God. Our hands and feet becomes those that Jesus uses, and we act in His stead. Our empires and possessions pale in grandeur to the glorious calling that we have - the privilege to minister to our neighbors in Jesus's name. Our names and legacies may fade from human memory, but the seeds of Christ's love we sow will last forever.
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