APPENDIX J
Question 17: There is also the potential for the Bakerloo line to be extended beyond Beckenham
Junction, in a new tunnel, to Bromley town centre. Do you support an extension to Bromley town
centre?
Question 18: Do you have any further views / comments on the above option?
FOR - STRONGLY SUPPORT / SUPPORT
Theme code
Economy / benefits /
regeneration
Number of
comments
Comment description
Economic / Regeneration benefits for Bromley
191
Tube would be used for shopping in Bromley / easier to shop in Bromley /
Bromley shopping destination
190
Useful for commuters
166
Bromley is London's biggest borough / high demand
126
Benefit for local businesses / promote business
77
Long overdue / forgotten area
70
Benefit for residents
61
The area is growing / new houses are being built
56
More could would visit the area
36
Many people priced out of zones 1-3
23
Beneficial to Kings College Hospital
23
Good for London overall
22
Leisure Benefits
Would allow for improvements / further regeneration in Bromley / economic
boost / 'like Croydon'
19
1,077
TOTAL
Connectivity
Preference
17
Would make Bromley more accessible / more options to travel to London /
would be on par with other boroughs
512
The further South the better / maximise reach of the extension / create more
opportunities for more people
Bromley has existing transport links with Kent, Sevenoaks, etc. / transport
hub
272
Increased number of Interchanges
24
Would be useful in case of incidents on the existing rail network
16
Would ease east - west connection
Need transport improvements in Bromley / stopping at Hayes or Lewisham is
not enough
8
Would be easier to access Beckenham
3
Would be easier to access Lewisham
2
Bromley North needs this, Bromley South is well connected
2
Would be easier to access Orpington\St Mary Cray
1
Would be easier to access Greenwich
1
48
5
TOTAL
894
Good idea / beneficial / good for me
361
All branches Needed
23
Do not support: would like 2 branches (1a + 1b) and terminus at Lewisham
3
1
Bromley proposal more important than Hayes proposal
Crowding / congestion
Suggested destinations
Conditions for support
1
TOTAL
388
Traffic will be reduced in Bromley / A modal shift will occur
105
Would relieve pressure on rail routes
86
Would relieve pressure on Victoria
12
Relieve pressure on Buses
7
Would relieve pressure on London Bridge
6
Would relieve pressure on Tube
4
Would relieve pressure on Overground services
3
Would relieve pressure on Tram services
3
Would ease parking issues
3
TOTAL
229
Bromley South
44
Bromley North
38
Orpington
22
Lewisham
14
Grove Park
14
Catford Bridge
10
Chislehurst
9
Hayes
6
Beckenham Junction
5
Crystal Palace
5
Further East
5
Hither Green
5
Shortlands
4
Greenwich
2
Petts Wood
2
Bickley
2
Croydon
2
Denmark Hill
2
Bellingham
2
Biggin Hill
1
Charing Cross
1
Downham
1
Farnborough
1
Streatham
1
Kingston
1
Eltham
1
Ladywell
1
Sidcup
1
Penge
1
Locksbottom
1
TOTAL
204
Only if funding is available / if not too expensive
19
2
Opposing comments to
response to Question 17
Feasibility
Sustainability
Phasing
Further information
required
Only if Hayes extension is built as well
14
Only if Bakerloo line will have tube stop at Beckenham Junction
12
Only if goes through Camberwell, else traffic issues must be addressed there
11
Only if trains from Bromley South to Victoria would still operate
9
Route to only go through Lewisham
9
Only if green spaces are not affected
5
Only if no impact on Hayes route
5
Only if Option 1b is chosen
3
Replace Grove Park Line
2
No impact on tube capacity
1
TOTAL
90
Bromley is already well connected
40
Cost and disruption might not be worth it
17
Should be connected to the Hayes railway line
4
Prefer Hayes proposal
3
Pointless replacing National Rail for Underground
3
Use existing methods of travel more efficiently
3
Not as important as connecting Lewisham / Old Kent Road
2
Would prefer the money was spent on inner London
2
Duplicates existing routes
2
Proposal will only support Central London
1
Will increase house prices
1
Proposal should terminate at Lewisham
1
TOTAL
79
Cost might be too high
66
TOTAL
66
Cost efficient long-term
38
Would reduce pollution due to traffic
8
This is a sustainable solution
5
Recognise noise reduction benefits of tunnel
1
TOTAL
52
The first part of the extension should open as soon as ready
26
New phase / phases
22
New Second Phase to Orpington
2
TOTAL
Will the route terminate at Bromley North, Centre or south?
50
Where will the route go in Bromley?- (Dwellings / Amenities forced to move)
9
What development / impacts will come with the proposal?
Does this need a new tunnel? / Could use existing Chatham Main Line
(Shortlands station)?
Subject to what final Information is proposals are
8
Will the proposal lead to an Increase in fares?
The line that goes through Ladywell and Catford is underused, could that be
part of this scheme?
Would this require a new station or would trains terminate at Bromley South?
2
Would this new line terminate at Orpington where that branch currently
1
3
15
4
2
1
1
ends?
Suggestions for other /
complementary transport
schemes
Existing rail services
Concerns
Recommendations
Aspects of service
Will the bottleneck at Beckenham Junction be resolved?
1
TOTAL
44
Extend Croydon tram to Bromley
19
Extend the DLR or Overground instead
5
Road network improvements required
2
Extend Bromley North Branch line to Grove Park
2
Tunnel from Shortlands to Bromley
1
Feeder buses are better for areas with low density (Bromley) with a major
interchange at Lewisham
1
Tunnel from Elephant & Castle to Bromley
1
Overground instead of Underground
1
Extend the Underground to Beckenham Junction, Extend Tramlink to Bromley
1
Crossrail 2 is a better option
Ensure Park and Ride site is outside location of proposed Bromley Tube
station
1
TOTAL
35
More likely to have delays on the line because of the length and pressure
15
TOTAL
15
More likely to have delays on the line because of the length and pressure
12
TOTAL
12
Better to create new connections rather than upgrading existing ones
7
No intermediate station is needed (as Shortlands is more than adequate)
3
Use Existing National Rail tracks
1
TOTAL
11
Need for a night / 24 hour timetable
7
Needs more than 6tph to be viable
3
TOTAL
10
‘STRONGLY SUPPORT' / 'SUPPORT' TOTAL
1
3,256
NEUTRAL - NEITHER SUPPORT NOR OPPOSE
Theme code
Neutral - but can see
difficulties extending to
Bromley
Number of
comments
Comment description
Loss of road space
1
Not preferred route
2
Cost outweighs benefit
47
Build 1a and 1b instead
9
Already Good Transport Links
75
Extension may jeopardise inner London branch development
9
May be detrimental on existing Bakerloo line services
2
Users will still use quicker National Rail services
47
Too Long travel time for tube / too many stops
13
Useful, But would prefer Hayes / Beckenham option
16
Transport improvements should go to deprived areas in southeast London
14
4
Further information
required
Neutral - but can see
benefit of extending to
Bromley
Neutral - but suggests
amendment
May lead to overcrowding
16
Disruption to residents
2
Poor links to Tram Network
1
Unlikely to ever be delivered
1
Loss of Green Space / Environmental Impacts
2
Rather be built to Lewisham quickly
10
Will make National Rail services slower / Jeopardise National Rail services
7
TOTAL
Ability to manage capacity increases
274
11
Impacts on trains from Hayes
5
Impact on rest of Bakerloo line
1
Impact on National Rail routes
3
Impact on London
1
Impact on local businesses- backwash effect
2
Benefits not clear
22
Need to consider economies and population growth
8
Build Timescale
2
Costs unclear
40
Location of station in Bromley
4
Route location
10
General- Need more information
9
TOTAL
Any transport improvements a benefit
118
41
Relieves capacity of Overground / National Rail services
3
Extends the route further
6
Bromley needs development
12
Greater accessibility to other areas of London
12
Improved access to Bromley shopping centre / Businesses
11
Build ASAP
2
Reduce road traffic
4
Benefit local residents / Commuters
7
TOTAL
Better as Tramlink
98
Should go via Brockley
1
Consider light railway options
1
Should be new lines to suburbs, not extensions or replace national rail
2
Camberwell needs a station
4
Extend the route as far as possible
14
8
Extend Victoria – Orpington service to include Bromley South, and operate to
Blackfriars via Herne Hill.
Grove Park-Bromley North Line incorporated into Overground or extension of
DLR?
Route should be from Peckham, Nunhead, Crofton Park, Bellingham
1
7
2
Route to include Blackheath, Eltham, Sidcup, Bexley and Bexleyheath
1
Extend from Lewisham to Hither Green / Grove Park, then Bromley
2
5
No overall preference
Support for Bromley
extension as part of a
phased approach
Extend Overground instead
6
Should go via Dulwich
1
Bus options require greater exploration
2
Should go via Herne Hill
1
Should go via Peckham Rye
1
Proposal should share existing National Rail lines
1
Extend to Eltham, not Bromley
1
Extend to Beckenham
2
Extend to Beckenham Hill, not Beckenham Junction
1
Tube Station at Catford Bridge
3
Reinstate National Rail service Lewisham-Bromley via Catford Bridge
3
Build new line from Bermondsey- Lewisham via Bromley
1
Extend via Crystal Palace
3
Extend Proposal via Greenwich / Bexley
2
Tube Station at Streatham
7
Terminate Proposal at Beckenham
1
Link to Thornton / Croydon
1
Target Increased Interconnectivity between modes
1
Improve southeast-New Cross Gate London connectivity
2
Tube Station at Grove Park
1
Extend to Bromley South
1
Extend to Bromley North
3
TOTAL
Unfamiliar with area
88
Final plan should be the quickest
2
TOTAL
Extension to Lewisham main priority / phase, then extend to Bromley
80
Old Kent Road first
4
Should be second phase
19
Must include Camberwell and Peckham
10
Greater consideration required in route phasing process
6
Build all in one process
2
Bromley should be future proposal
9
TOTAL
67
‘NEITHER SUPPORT NOR OPPOSE' TOTAL
725
78
17
AGAINST - OPPOSE / STRONGLY OPPOSE
Number of
comments
Theme code
Comment description
Connectivity
Bromley already has fast rail connections to central London.
164
Bromley doesn’t need a slow / metro connection to London.
16
The Underground is slower than National Rail trains over a longer distance.
10
If the extension went to Bromley, services would be less reliable.
2
6
Reasons for not
supporting extension to
Bromley
Preference
Project cost
Suggestions for other /
complementary
transport schemes
Negative Impact on public transport service levels
2
Oppose removal of National Rail services from Hayes.
6
TOTAL
Worsen traffic congestion
An Underground connection is needed to revitalise other parts of southeast
London.
The transport connections in Camberwell / Peckham are not as good as in
Bromley and Beckenham.
200
1
25
5
Bromley centre is in decline.
3
Bromley is too far out of central London to need an Underground connection.
21
National Rail connections from Bromley South are sufficient.
Demand between Beckenham and Bromley is already met by bus / rail
services.
Bromley Centre is overcrowded.
4
25
4
Bromley extension will delay process further
1
Cannot see the benefit.
13
TOTAL
Inner London areas need the investment / improvement before areas further
out.
Support extension option 1b.
102
26
2
Support terminating extension in Bromley Centre.
1
The option that doesn't stop at Bromley is sufficient.
1
Link to Bromley town centre is unnecessary.
38
Oppose extension of Underground past Lewisham.
11
The extension to Hayes should happen before any extension to Bromley.
4
Extend for five miles then reflect on progress
4
Need more information
5
Support extension 1a and 1b
2
The benefits to people who travel to Waterloo or Charing Cross are marginal.
1
TOTAL
Cost of scheme is too expensive.
95
The scheme is not cost effective.
15
The money is better spent elsewhere.
4
Extending as far as Bromley will put pressure on the budget.
5
Waste of money.
2
The project would need a significant budget.
1
The project will draw funds away from other projects.
1
TOTAL
Terminate extension in Streatham.
The extension should end at Lewisham initially with further extension in the
future.
Using a bus to cover the route would be cheaper.
91
Consider better services from Bromley North.
12
Invest in more urgent public transport issues.
1
Invest in cycling infrastructure.
1
The scheme should be focussed more centrally.
3
Tramlink extension from Bromley to Croydon.
15
7
63
1
8
1
Crowding / congestion
Suggested destinations
Need an extension to New Eltham more than to Bromley.
2
A more direct route from Lewisham to Bromley than via Beckenham should be
considered.
2
Extend DLR to Bromley from Lewisham / Greenwich / Woolwich.
7
Additional National Rail branch to Streatham via Camberwell / Herne Hill.
2
Extra car parking / bus routes should be provided at Beckenham Junction
where there is Underground access.
3
Extend Underground to Dulwich, Tulse Hill and Norwood
1
Extend Northern line to Epson
1
Proposal should be Overground
8
Build National Rail Spur at Beckenham
1
Better to invest in old infrastructure than build new
1
Reinstate National Rail London- Bromley North Line, via grove park
7
Overground service should run to Brixton and Brockley
1
Underground route from Lewisham- Lee High Road- (Surface) Hither Green,
Grove Park, Sundridge, Bromley North, (Tunnel) Bromley South –Hayes.
1
Proposal should be all National Rail
2
Extend Northern line to Sutton
1
Reinstate Connex South Eastern route
1
Need an extension to Sidcup more than to Bromley.
1
TOTAL
If the Bakerloo line is extended too far, the rest of the line will suffer.
Extension beyond Lewisham will increase congestion on the Underground in
Zone 1.
There is already a rail connection, which is not at capacity.
84
The trains would be full all of the time.
21
Elephant & Castle suffers from congestion.
1
Hayes Extension would congestion in Inner London Stations
1
TOTAL
Bromley North
49
Downham
1
Bellingham
1
Eltham
1
Bexleyheath
1
New Eltham
1
Sidcup
2
Peckham Rye
1
1a option only
1
East from Camberwell
1
Bexley
1
Crawford or Dartford
3
Further South
1
Croydon
4
Tulse Hill
1
Streatham
9
Brixton
1
17
4
5
1
8
Feasibility
Economy / benefits /
regeneration
Environmental impact
Other
Concerns with Hayes line
Safety and social issues
Positive comments
Conditional support (only
support if…)
Norwood
1
TOTAL
32
Route / Tunnel not possible
4
To go out this far, you need a Crossrail size solution.
4
The scheme will cause disruption.
10
TOTAL
Increased development / density would threaten green space.
18
7
An Underground connection could move trade away from local businesses
towards London- Backwash effect
3
Bromley is developed enough.
4
Would push property prices up.
3
TOTAL
Destruction of beautiful areas of Beckenham.
17
Disruption from tunnelling.
8
Noise from the Underground trains.
2
Better air quality Overground
1
TOTAL
No desire to visit Bromley.
14
Would mean that the London Bridge expansion would not be utilised.
2
Live in suburban areas to avoid Bromley.
1
Perception National Rail pricing is cheaper than TfL.
3
Do not want more people coming to Bromley.
1
TOTAL
Starting the extension at Hayes will make it difficult to interchange to National
Rail trains to central London.
9
Bakerloo line no use to Hayes users
1
Impact on current Hayes Line
2
The extension will increase travel times to London Bridge / Cannon Street.
1
TOTAL
Will negatively impact communities on the route.
5
TOTAL
Will bring benefits to Bromley
4
Will improve connectivity to hospitals
1
TOTAL
Only if Underground route is deep tunnelled
2
TOTAL
1
3
2
1
4
1
‘STRONGLY OPPOSE' / 'OPPOSE' TOTAL
QUESTION 18 TOTAL
1
723
4,704
9