APPENDIX J Question 17: There is also the potential for the Bakerloo line to be extended beyond Beckenham Junction, in a new tunnel, to Bromley town centre. Do you support an extension to Bromley town centre? Question 18: Do you have any further views / comments on the above option? FOR - STRONGLY SUPPORT / SUPPORT Theme code Economy / benefits / regeneration Number of comments Comment description Economic / Regeneration benefits for Bromley 191 Tube would be used for shopping in Bromley / easier to shop in Bromley / Bromley shopping destination 190 Useful for commuters 166 Bromley is London's biggest borough / high demand 126 Benefit for local businesses / promote business 77 Long overdue / forgotten area 70 Benefit for residents 61 The area is growing / new houses are being built 56 More could would visit the area 36 Many people priced out of zones 1-3 23 Beneficial to Kings College Hospital 23 Good for London overall 22 Leisure Benefits Would allow for improvements / further regeneration in Bromley / economic boost / 'like Croydon' 19 1,077 TOTAL Connectivity Preference 17 Would make Bromley more accessible / more options to travel to London / would be on par with other boroughs 512 The further South the better / maximise reach of the extension / create more opportunities for more people Bromley has existing transport links with Kent, Sevenoaks, etc. / transport hub 272 Increased number of Interchanges 24 Would be useful in case of incidents on the existing rail network 16 Would ease east - west connection Need transport improvements in Bromley / stopping at Hayes or Lewisham is not enough 8 Would be easier to access Beckenham 3 Would be easier to access Lewisham 2 Bromley North needs this, Bromley South is well connected 2 Would be easier to access Orpington\St Mary Cray 1 Would be easier to access Greenwich 1 48 5 TOTAL 894 Good idea / beneficial / good for me 361 All branches Needed 23 Do not support: would like 2 branches (1a + 1b) and terminus at Lewisham 3 1 Bromley proposal more important than Hayes proposal Crowding / congestion Suggested destinations Conditions for support 1 TOTAL 388 Traffic will be reduced in Bromley / A modal shift will occur 105 Would relieve pressure on rail routes 86 Would relieve pressure on Victoria 12 Relieve pressure on Buses 7 Would relieve pressure on London Bridge 6 Would relieve pressure on Tube 4 Would relieve pressure on Overground services 3 Would relieve pressure on Tram services 3 Would ease parking issues 3 TOTAL 229 Bromley South 44 Bromley North 38 Orpington 22 Lewisham 14 Grove Park 14 Catford Bridge 10 Chislehurst 9 Hayes 6 Beckenham Junction 5 Crystal Palace 5 Further East 5 Hither Green 5 Shortlands 4 Greenwich 2 Petts Wood 2 Bickley 2 Croydon 2 Denmark Hill 2 Bellingham 2 Biggin Hill 1 Charing Cross 1 Downham 1 Farnborough 1 Streatham 1 Kingston 1 Eltham 1 Ladywell 1 Sidcup 1 Penge 1 Locksbottom 1 TOTAL 204 Only if funding is available / if not too expensive 19 2 Opposing comments to response to Question 17 Feasibility Sustainability Phasing Further information required Only if Hayes extension is built as well 14 Only if Bakerloo line will have tube stop at Beckenham Junction 12 Only if goes through Camberwell, else traffic issues must be addressed there 11 Only if trains from Bromley South to Victoria would still operate 9 Route to only go through Lewisham 9 Only if green spaces are not affected 5 Only if no impact on Hayes route 5 Only if Option 1b is chosen 3 Replace Grove Park Line 2 No impact on tube capacity 1 TOTAL 90 Bromley is already well connected 40 Cost and disruption might not be worth it 17 Should be connected to the Hayes railway line 4 Prefer Hayes proposal 3 Pointless replacing National Rail for Underground 3 Use existing methods of travel more efficiently 3 Not as important as connecting Lewisham / Old Kent Road 2 Would prefer the money was spent on inner London 2 Duplicates existing routes 2 Proposal will only support Central London 1 Will increase house prices 1 Proposal should terminate at Lewisham 1 TOTAL 79 Cost might be too high 66 TOTAL 66 Cost efficient long-term 38 Would reduce pollution due to traffic 8 This is a sustainable solution 5 Recognise noise reduction benefits of tunnel 1 TOTAL 52 The first part of the extension should open as soon as ready 26 New phase / phases 22 New Second Phase to Orpington 2 TOTAL Will the route terminate at Bromley North, Centre or south? 50 Where will the route go in Bromley?- (Dwellings / Amenities forced to move) 9 What development / impacts will come with the proposal? Does this need a new tunnel? / Could use existing Chatham Main Line (Shortlands station)? Subject to what final Information is proposals are 8 Will the proposal lead to an Increase in fares? The line that goes through Ladywell and Catford is underused, could that be part of this scheme? Would this require a new station or would trains terminate at Bromley South? 2 Would this new line terminate at Orpington where that branch currently 1 3 15 4 2 1 1 ends? Suggestions for other / complementary transport schemes Existing rail services Concerns Recommendations Aspects of service Will the bottleneck at Beckenham Junction be resolved? 1 TOTAL 44 Extend Croydon tram to Bromley 19 Extend the DLR or Overground instead 5 Road network improvements required 2 Extend Bromley North Branch line to Grove Park 2 Tunnel from Shortlands to Bromley 1 Feeder buses are better for areas with low density (Bromley) with a major interchange at Lewisham 1 Tunnel from Elephant & Castle to Bromley 1 Overground instead of Underground 1 Extend the Underground to Beckenham Junction, Extend Tramlink to Bromley 1 Crossrail 2 is a better option Ensure Park and Ride site is outside location of proposed Bromley Tube station 1 TOTAL 35 More likely to have delays on the line because of the length and pressure 15 TOTAL 15 More likely to have delays on the line because of the length and pressure 12 TOTAL 12 Better to create new connections rather than upgrading existing ones 7 No intermediate station is needed (as Shortlands is more than adequate) 3 Use Existing National Rail tracks 1 TOTAL 11 Need for a night / 24 hour timetable 7 Needs more than 6tph to be viable 3 TOTAL 10 ‘STRONGLY SUPPORT' / 'SUPPORT' TOTAL 1 3,256 NEUTRAL - NEITHER SUPPORT NOR OPPOSE Theme code Neutral - but can see difficulties extending to Bromley Number of comments Comment description Loss of road space 1 Not preferred route 2 Cost outweighs benefit 47 Build 1a and 1b instead 9 Already Good Transport Links 75 Extension may jeopardise inner London branch development 9 May be detrimental on existing Bakerloo line services 2 Users will still use quicker National Rail services 47 Too Long travel time for tube / too many stops 13 Useful, But would prefer Hayes / Beckenham option 16 Transport improvements should go to deprived areas in southeast London 14 4 Further information required Neutral - but can see benefit of extending to Bromley Neutral - but suggests amendment May lead to overcrowding 16 Disruption to residents 2 Poor links to Tram Network 1 Unlikely to ever be delivered 1 Loss of Green Space / Environmental Impacts 2 Rather be built to Lewisham quickly 10 Will make National Rail services slower / Jeopardise National Rail services 7 TOTAL Ability to manage capacity increases 274 11 Impacts on trains from Hayes 5 Impact on rest of Bakerloo line 1 Impact on National Rail routes 3 Impact on London 1 Impact on local businesses- backwash effect 2 Benefits not clear 22 Need to consider economies and population growth 8 Build Timescale 2 Costs unclear 40 Location of station in Bromley 4 Route location 10 General- Need more information 9 TOTAL Any transport improvements a benefit 118 41 Relieves capacity of Overground / National Rail services 3 Extends the route further 6 Bromley needs development 12 Greater accessibility to other areas of London 12 Improved access to Bromley shopping centre / Businesses 11 Build ASAP 2 Reduce road traffic 4 Benefit local residents / Commuters 7 TOTAL Better as Tramlink 98 Should go via Brockley 1 Consider light railway options 1 Should be new lines to suburbs, not extensions or replace national rail 2 Camberwell needs a station 4 Extend the route as far as possible 14 8 Extend Victoria – Orpington service to include Bromley South, and operate to Blackfriars via Herne Hill. Grove Park-Bromley North Line incorporated into Overground or extension of DLR? Route should be from Peckham, Nunhead, Crofton Park, Bellingham 1 7 2 Route to include Blackheath, Eltham, Sidcup, Bexley and Bexleyheath 1 Extend from Lewisham to Hither Green / Grove Park, then Bromley 2 5 No overall preference Support for Bromley extension as part of a phased approach Extend Overground instead 6 Should go via Dulwich 1 Bus options require greater exploration 2 Should go via Herne Hill 1 Should go via Peckham Rye 1 Proposal should share existing National Rail lines 1 Extend to Eltham, not Bromley 1 Extend to Beckenham 2 Extend to Beckenham Hill, not Beckenham Junction 1 Tube Station at Catford Bridge 3 Reinstate National Rail service Lewisham-Bromley via Catford Bridge 3 Build new line from Bermondsey- Lewisham via Bromley 1 Extend via Crystal Palace 3 Extend Proposal via Greenwich / Bexley 2 Tube Station at Streatham 7 Terminate Proposal at Beckenham 1 Link to Thornton / Croydon 1 Target Increased Interconnectivity between modes 1 Improve southeast-New Cross Gate London connectivity 2 Tube Station at Grove Park 1 Extend to Bromley South 1 Extend to Bromley North 3 TOTAL Unfamiliar with area 88 Final plan should be the quickest 2 TOTAL Extension to Lewisham main priority / phase, then extend to Bromley 80 Old Kent Road first 4 Should be second phase 19 Must include Camberwell and Peckham 10 Greater consideration required in route phasing process 6 Build all in one process 2 Bromley should be future proposal 9 TOTAL 67 ‘NEITHER SUPPORT NOR OPPOSE' TOTAL 725 78 17 AGAINST - OPPOSE / STRONGLY OPPOSE Number of comments Theme code Comment description Connectivity Bromley already has fast rail connections to central London. 164 Bromley doesn’t need a slow / metro connection to London. 16 The Underground is slower than National Rail trains over a longer distance. 10 If the extension went to Bromley, services would be less reliable. 2 6 Reasons for not supporting extension to Bromley Preference Project cost Suggestions for other / complementary transport schemes Negative Impact on public transport service levels 2 Oppose removal of National Rail services from Hayes. 6 TOTAL Worsen traffic congestion An Underground connection is needed to revitalise other parts of southeast London. The transport connections in Camberwell / Peckham are not as good as in Bromley and Beckenham. 200 1 25 5 Bromley centre is in decline. 3 Bromley is too far out of central London to need an Underground connection. 21 National Rail connections from Bromley South are sufficient. Demand between Beckenham and Bromley is already met by bus / rail services. Bromley Centre is overcrowded. 4 25 4 Bromley extension will delay process further 1 Cannot see the benefit. 13 TOTAL Inner London areas need the investment / improvement before areas further out. Support extension option 1b. 102 26 2 Support terminating extension in Bromley Centre. 1 The option that doesn't stop at Bromley is sufficient. 1 Link to Bromley town centre is unnecessary. 38 Oppose extension of Underground past Lewisham. 11 The extension to Hayes should happen before any extension to Bromley. 4 Extend for five miles then reflect on progress 4 Need more information 5 Support extension 1a and 1b 2 The benefits to people who travel to Waterloo or Charing Cross are marginal. 1 TOTAL Cost of scheme is too expensive. 95 The scheme is not cost effective. 15 The money is better spent elsewhere. 4 Extending as far as Bromley will put pressure on the budget. 5 Waste of money. 2 The project would need a significant budget. 1 The project will draw funds away from other projects. 1 TOTAL Terminate extension in Streatham. The extension should end at Lewisham initially with further extension in the future. Using a bus to cover the route would be cheaper. 91 Consider better services from Bromley North. 12 Invest in more urgent public transport issues. 1 Invest in cycling infrastructure. 1 The scheme should be focussed more centrally. 3 Tramlink extension from Bromley to Croydon. 15 7 63 1 8 1 Crowding / congestion Suggested destinations Need an extension to New Eltham more than to Bromley. 2 A more direct route from Lewisham to Bromley than via Beckenham should be considered. 2 Extend DLR to Bromley from Lewisham / Greenwich / Woolwich. 7 Additional National Rail branch to Streatham via Camberwell / Herne Hill. 2 Extra car parking / bus routes should be provided at Beckenham Junction where there is Underground access. 3 Extend Underground to Dulwich, Tulse Hill and Norwood 1 Extend Northern line to Epson 1 Proposal should be Overground 8 Build National Rail Spur at Beckenham 1 Better to invest in old infrastructure than build new 1 Reinstate National Rail London- Bromley North Line, via grove park 7 Overground service should run to Brixton and Brockley 1 Underground route from Lewisham- Lee High Road- (Surface) Hither Green, Grove Park, Sundridge, Bromley North, (Tunnel) Bromley South –Hayes. 1 Proposal should be all National Rail 2 Extend Northern line to Sutton 1 Reinstate Connex South Eastern route 1 Need an extension to Sidcup more than to Bromley. 1 TOTAL If the Bakerloo line is extended too far, the rest of the line will suffer. Extension beyond Lewisham will increase congestion on the Underground in Zone 1. There is already a rail connection, which is not at capacity. 84 The trains would be full all of the time. 21 Elephant & Castle suffers from congestion. 1 Hayes Extension would congestion in Inner London Stations 1 TOTAL Bromley North 49 Downham 1 Bellingham 1 Eltham 1 Bexleyheath 1 New Eltham 1 Sidcup 2 Peckham Rye 1 1a option only 1 East from Camberwell 1 Bexley 1 Crawford or Dartford 3 Further South 1 Croydon 4 Tulse Hill 1 Streatham 9 Brixton 1 17 4 5 1 8 Feasibility Economy / benefits / regeneration Environmental impact Other Concerns with Hayes line Safety and social issues Positive comments Conditional support (only support if…) Norwood 1 TOTAL 32 Route / Tunnel not possible 4 To go out this far, you need a Crossrail size solution. 4 The scheme will cause disruption. 10 TOTAL Increased development / density would threaten green space. 18 7 An Underground connection could move trade away from local businesses towards London- Backwash effect 3 Bromley is developed enough. 4 Would push property prices up. 3 TOTAL Destruction of beautiful areas of Beckenham. 17 Disruption from tunnelling. 8 Noise from the Underground trains. 2 Better air quality Overground 1 TOTAL No desire to visit Bromley. 14 Would mean that the London Bridge expansion would not be utilised. 2 Live in suburban areas to avoid Bromley. 1 Perception National Rail pricing is cheaper than TfL. 3 Do not want more people coming to Bromley. 1 TOTAL Starting the extension at Hayes will make it difficult to interchange to National Rail trains to central London. 9 Bakerloo line no use to Hayes users 1 Impact on current Hayes Line 2 The extension will increase travel times to London Bridge / Cannon Street. 1 TOTAL Will negatively impact communities on the route. 5 TOTAL Will bring benefits to Bromley 4 Will improve connectivity to hospitals 1 TOTAL Only if Underground route is deep tunnelled 2 TOTAL 1 3 2 1 4 1 ‘STRONGLY OPPOSE' / 'OPPOSE' TOTAL QUESTION 18 TOTAL 1 723 4,704 9
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